LLMPapa's Video Depiction Could Cook Up A Zimmerman Conviction
Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 8:28AM LLMPapa has made quite a name for himself, particularly in video production, since the Trayvon Martin tragedy began making headlines. He’s got such a sharp eye and uniquely analytical mind that complement each other so well, nothing seems to escape him. His work is a gourmet blend of just the right ingredients.
While I fancy myself more of a writer than a videographer, I did manage to get my hands on footage from inside The Retreat at Twin Lakes the other day. I think most of you have probably seen it by now. If not, you can view it on YouTube, where I’ve uploaded some 40 videos. LLMPapa, on the other hand, has produced and uploaded nearly 300. In his latest video, he, once again, pokes holes in one of Zimmerman’s stories now reaching the size of a city block made of Swiss cheese. That would be row after row of thinly sliced fromage piled as high as the Orlando skyline.
The video I put together begins where Zimmerman allegedly parked his vehicle the night of February 26, got out and walked in search of a street name. Or was it a house number? Or was he pursuing Trayvon? I use the word “allegedly” lightly because you can’t trust one word that comes out of his mouth. Did he actually park his SUV where he said he did? Was he really looking for an address when he acknowledged following Trayvon after the dispatcher asked and scolded him for doing so? Something he later denied? That the dispatcher asked for an address that was, in fact, never asked for? You get the picture.
Anyway, LLMPapa, affectionately known as Papa, is like a five-star chef. He has a blank check when it comes to my grocery store of video vittles. He is free to mince, dice, chop and slice any and all elements in order to cook up a crowd pleasing platter of truth when it comes to the rotting lies of George Zimmerman. Low and behold, he did just that! For sure, you can always count on a real treat because he really knows how to dish it. Feed your eyes and ears on this. It’s a veritable mind feast…
To be fair, I think it’s only right to acknowledge a separate video put together by Trent Sawyer, under his pseudonym of stateoftheinternet, that also used part of my footage from The Retreat at Twin Lakes complex.
Finally, I want to thank Frederick Leatherman for posting and promoting my video on his blog, and Xena for helping to put it all together. This is truly a concerted effort. We are seeking nothing more than justice — without skipping dessert or running from the truth.
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Reader Comments (169)
Beautiful. Impressive. If it weren't for the sad death of Trayvon, it would even be amusing.
[Amusing in the sense that Zimmerman is such a bumbler, like Inspector Clouseau. Both, at least, were fictional cops, only, in real life, someone died, and there's nothing fictional about that.]
Four of the greatest minds have come together to cook Zimmerman's goose. To see the support that has been provided to Trayvon and the quest for justice for "OUR SON" is second to none. It goes without saying that Papa has done a magnificent job with his videos. Dave, you have provided sensational writing and by being nearby and able to lend us your eyes and ears has been phenomenal. Professor Leatherman's legal knowledge is unparalleled. Trent's amazing sense of humor and his ferocious determination to get to the truth is unmatched. Trayvon is lucky to have such an amazing group in his corner and I so look forward to the day when the words GUILTY AS CHARGED are read aloud and Zimmerman is made to pay for what he has done to Trayvon and his wonderful family. Justice will not be denied.
[Thank you, BigBoithedog, and it's a pleasure to see you. I think it's been a bad week for the defense with these videos. It is quite interesting to see what happens when all of these minds work together, even if indirectly. That's because we have one goal - to seek and find the truth, and Zimmerman's stories are anything but that!]
It is wonderful to see everyone working together. BRAVO!!
[Yes it is, Snoopy. We have a common goal and that trumps everything. I'm glad I got hold of that video because I knew some good things would come out of it.]
Thank you for keeping us in the loop ,Dave. With all that's in the news, this case has slipped out of view. I am glad you are here to help!
[I am glad I am still here, too, dadgum, and I'm very happy you are, too! Yes, there's been a lot in the news but, thank God, the election is over. No more atrocious commercials! Hopefully, I will continue reporting on this case, so please stick around...]
Excellent post Dave. What a well-rounded crew in you, Leatherman, Pappa and Sawyer.
[Thank you, Newbie. I consider this to be a great cause. From the moment I heard the story, I knew that Zimmerman was lying and completely wrong. Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in cold blood. The difference between a real cop and a cop wannabe is that a real cop would not have panicked. A real cop would not have shot an unarmed boy. Period.]
Dave, I subscribe to your blog and YouTube channel. After getting notification of your video and watching it, I embedded it on Leatherman's blog. There, BlushingBrown saw it and commented. At the same time, she and I were discussing over on blackbutterfly7 about our efforts to understand analysis of clubhouse videos and such. Neither of us are folks who hear "west" and immediately apply it to an area we are unfamiliar with. It was BlushingBrown who contacted you about the possibility of filming more area, such as the mail shed, and the path that Trayvon was said to have taken.
It was that exchange that moved over to Leatherman's blog that gathered attention, and the rest, as they say, is now history.
I am very humbled to be mentioned. Back in the 90's I was president of a local Chamber of Commerce (first woman elected to that position and re-elected). Research and connecting resources was always something I loved doing, especially of people who have a common goal.
The video you presented is a jewel. I love what LLMPapa did with it. Sawyer's side-by-side with Zimmerman's NEN call is fantastic, showing that if Zimmerman's story is true, he should have given the dispatcher the address and also, we should have heard Trayvon ask Zimmerman "You got a problem, homie?"
I would love to see the prosecution have a re-constructionist who uses these videos as a foundation to demonstrate that Zimmerman's story is a blatant lie.
Thank you for your hard work.
[It's good to know someone subscribes to my blog and YouTube channel, Xena. Thank you!
Here's the important part - YOU got the ball rolling and it snowballed from there. We are all in this together for one cause; justice. There is no way Zimmerman's story adds up. My intent with that video has been to spark discussion and analysis. It did. I knew LLMPapa would run with it and that's precisely what he did. So did Sawyer. This is fantastic! Hopefully, I will have more footage to present, and soon, I hope. My RATL connection will provide, I'm sure. I'm also confident the State will have something to say about this, too.
Thanks, Xena. As for me, if my work helps secure justice for Trayvon, then that's all the thanks I need.]
Part Deux
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LquOHzPy0U
Thank you, Papa
LLMPapa-Part Deux
Gentlemen,
Great work and excellent collaboration. Dave my friend, as I have told you many times over- you fill a void by bringing your nose for truth and justice along with your huge heart to the social media. I commend you again.
LLMPapa
I have heard many good things abut your works and now for the first time, I am seeing your work first hand. This is nothing short of outstanding work and I love you investigative side too.
You both have my deepest admiration and I hope that this is the first of more collaborative efforts between the both of you.
[Thank you, Porky3100. I like to think I have a good nose for truth and justice, and it's great to know others feel the same way. Also, I will have to admit I have a big heart and, that, I know is true. I really appreciate your words. I will continue doing the same thing for a long time, I hope; long after this one is settled.]
I commend all of the sleuths out there for their fine work, & time.
My prayer is that there will be justice for Trayvon.
[Thank you, lake erie princess! This work is well worth the time and effort, I assure you. I share your prayer, but in the end, if Zimmerman is set free, will he ever be free? He will never be what he aspired to be. What would his supporters do for him? Nothing. When it's over, they will move on. One of them might give him a job as a security guard in a warehouse or junkyard somewhere, as long as there are no dogs.
I wish him no physical harm, but if he ends up in a padded room, I won't care. Thanks for commenting.]
This is interesting...re SYG/self-defense. It is off topic but a good read that relates to the Zimmerman case.
LYONS: Law does not give killers carte blanche
[Interesting story, and a strong argument for this case going to trial. Let a jury decide. Thanks for the link, Snoopy.]
FORT LAUDERDALE
This is another SYG case to watch. Thursday, closing arguments took place in the case of James Wonder, 69, charged in the shooting death of federal agent Donald Pettit in 2008. Wonder was charged with manslaughter. This leads me to believe that charging Z with second degree murder is an overcharge. It would be easier to get a conviction for manslaughter.
Read more here...
Judge To Decide ‘Stand Your Ground’ Case In Fed. Agent Shooting
Part Trois
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzjtoXUIvc
Merci beaucoup, Monsieur LLMPapa
Part Trois
GZ case Calendar of events:
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Great collaboration between some really smart people. Love your videos Papa, can't wait for part quatre. I'm with Xena, I'd love to see the prosecution come up with a similar reconstruction.
[Yes, there are some really smart people, Connie, but I don't know where or how I fit in. Thanks, I hope the prosecution has more evidence than what we have.]
I think there is still 2 possibilities why GZ was charged with second degree instead of manslaughter. We have not seen GZ`s phone records but if there was some phone calls before with someone else who spotted Trayvon it would no longer be manslaughter. And the other thing , is there is at least one witness to this and GZ himself said he got on Trayvons back, so the kid is dying and he jumps on, and not only that but doesnt do anything to get help on the way for Trayvon. Makes me sick to even put those words in print. I hope he gets just treatment someday for his actions
I never watched the last hearing in full but I read that the Judge said June 10th is trial date and there would be no extensions and now Omara filed for an extension. He will probably still get the extension but what do others think?
[No, we have not seen GZ's phone records. I think it would be very telling if a call was made to Osterman, for instance, before he called the dispatcher. However, no recording of the call would exist, so what would it do to help? Nothing, really, other than establish that he needed edvice on the matter.
It is very sad that, after he shot the boy, he did nothing to seek medical assistance. You know why? Because he shot to kill. He knew he killed Trayvon as soon as he pulled the trigger. End of story; end of life. That's when he started spinning a tale of lies.
If he is convicted, his worst nightmare will come true. The guy in prison - the one they call BIG BOY - will come calling, and he won't have anywhere to hide. No lies and no one to help him. The thought of that has got to be driving him mad.
I don't expect the trial to start on June 10, but Nelson is a pretty tough judge. With her, GZ got exactly what he didn't want, and I'm thankful for that.
Thanks, Elmosmommy.]
It's great to see everyone working together.
[Yes, it is, Joanna, and I'm glad we are. Thank you.]
Man, you keep writing like that you are going to be bigger than Zimmerman trying to get to court huh?
So, George wanted to kill so bad, and timed it so perfectly the cops came just as he shot, just as he planned? Thats pretty cunning! He had to have known Trayvon would go back right by his dads girlfriends, per DeeDee, and then double back to confront him! Is it possible that the first two times Trayvon was suspended that year, ( I mean who wasn't back in High School?) he was at his Dads girlfriends and George had been stalking him, perhaps even putting the weed residue bag in his backpack and getting him suspended, knowing he would come back two hours from where he usually stayed?????
[You need to stop flattering me like that, Britt, but I DO appreciate it. I knew that, deep down inside, you are kind and lovable. Thank you.]
It’s a case an Albuquerque mother says resembles the Trayvon Martin killing in Florida. In this case, a 13-year-old boy is mistaken for a thief and is shot; but he survives to tell his side of the story.
The boy in this case is an 8th grade basketball player who also plays first chair viola at school.
His mom says he’s a good kid, who snuck out early Saturday morning but wasn’t up to trouble.
"I was at my friend’s home and I was walking my friends home,” said the boy in an exclusive interview with KOB Eyewitness News 4.
“And on the way there we were just running around just playing and just hiding from each other and I hid under a truck."
The moments that followed could have cost the boy his life. It all happened Saturday at 3 a.m. on Sawgrass Pl NW.
Video and read more here...
Man shoots teen, cites defense of property
Zamora/Zimmerman.. Z names. Coincidence? Oh well, that kid was 5'2" and a featherweight. And 13-years-old. The homeowner scared the kid to death without ever having to shoot him, so why did he? He could have handled it a lot better than he did. George could have, too. We'll see, but this one might be a good one to follow, too. It piqued my interest. The homeowner had a reason to be alarmed, but to shoot an unarmed 5'2" boy? That's BOY. And BLACK. Sad.]
Dave I am in total awe of the videos starting with the one you originally posted. Pretty amazing stuff. I do not want to speak for Trayvon but I will say if I were him I would be honored that you are all working in his best interest. Everyone sees things differently and that is okay because we are all different. I think of a friend walking down the street talking to his/her friend. I imagine the fear of a man following him/her in a vehicle and then on foot. Being chased for reasons he/she does not know. Screaming for help and no one not ONE person coming to his/her aid. Hopefully, I truly hope my friend would fight for his/her life. The saddest thing in the end fist and sidewalks are no comparison for a bullet. A hollow point bullet.
I think Mr Zimmerman has talked plenty and so has his friends and family. I sure hope Trayvon speaks loud and clear in court. I hope he tells that Jury how terrified Mr. Zimmerman made him on February 26. Dave please thank the guys and Xena for helping you- Amazing.
[You know, Michelle, I think that Zimmerman's family and friends, himself included, have spoken on behalf of Trayvon. The more they open their mouths, the more they give the State. I've got at least one more video up my sleeve and I'm in negotions on that now. Time will tell whether any of these videos will come to the benefit of the prosecution, but the defense is more than welcome to look into them, too. Which I doubt they will.
Trayvon had every right to defend himself from a creep like Zimmerman. For all he knew, the guy could have been a sexual predator. I don't think so, but since Zimmerman never identified himself to Trayvon, what was the boy to think?
Thank you for complimenting my video and the ones that came out of it. I think your thank you will speak volumes to all of us, so trust me when I say it's very much appreciated by all of us. Believe me, there's more to come...]
Oh yes, a way to identify hungry black hispanic child killers is the Z in their last name! Very logical.
[Well, not really. But it makes as much sense as Britt and Brick, as in thick as, but I know there's no comparing the two. Just remember, I never mentioned anything about being Hispanic, nor did I say a word about being hungry.]
Now did we ever figure out how he knew Trayvon would come back looking for him? Do you think when Trayvon stopped and stared him down while he was seated in his car,do you think George mouthed the words, come get me m***********? How did George know Trayvon was going to come back looking for him, because DeeDee says Trayvon said he got back right near his Dads. Is it possible that weeks before George, using his power as a community watch captain broke into Brandy Greens townhouse and somehow implanted Trayvon with a tracking device while he slept?
[I would think if he knew Trayvon would come back looking for him, he would have been ready. After all, he's SuperGeorge, right? How about if I tell you I will show that Zimmerman took a different route? By the way, Trayvon NEVER circled his car or he would have told the dispatcher. Did he? No. It's just another of George's many, many lies.
SuperGeorge needed no tracking devices. Not with that gun. All he ever wanted was to be a cop. Do you think that will ever happen, Britt? Would any police department hire him now? No matter what you choose to believe, he is a self-ruined man. Good boy, George. Sit.]
A Walk With Marinade Dave, The Conclusion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_qjHUh7iNw
LLMPapa~~Thank you so very much!!
A Walk With Marinade Dave, The Conclusion
Dave I have read your articles for quite sometime.You know I don't comment much.Just a lurker...but agood one.:) I was on the fence about this case for a long time and have followed it closely.I think zimmerman was getting beat up and that is the reason he used his gun.People please do not attack me just stating my opinion.And I really like Dave and will continue to lurk :)
[Yes, Vicki, you have been reading here for quite some time, and I appreciate you, even if you merely lurk. Lurking is good. I have no problem with your opinion, either. I would never expect anyone to look at something one way only, and what you think about this case is just as important as everyone else's. I respect you a lot for that, and for stating your opinion here. No one would dare attack you because it's just not allowed. Not on THIS blog! Absolutely, continue to lurk, and please do comment whenever you feel comfortable. Thank you, and it's great to see you.]
[Name deleted] you better get off the boat while you can. Incontinent Dave and Offhismeds Papa have manufactured evidence based on a fraudulent timeline. It's all lies. They know it too.
[I'll leave this comment as a fair warning to all who come here barking up the wrong tree. You can ABSOLUTELY disagree with me, but when you write trash like this, you go right in the banned filter. This person from Jacksonville can no longer see my blog. Just a big white screen with two words: No Access.]
But the bottom line is you think he wanted to kill, and called the cops before he even did it. Because you have to think that if you go along with he just wanted to kill. The path he took does not matter. Trayvon attacked him and hit him, there was not injury to Trayvon except the bullet.no scratches to his face, nothing. And Trayvon was bigger than George, no way could he have held down Trayvon. Its time to face the reality, but it appears the ones picking apart an attack are people who have never been in a fight
[No, Britt, I DO NOT believe George set out to kill anyone that night, but let me put it this way. It's much easier for an arsonist to start a fire if he has a Bic lighter in his pocket.
Let's get something settled once and for all. Trayvon was called "Slim" by his family and friends. There's a reason for that. He was 158 lbs and 5'11" when he died. He was a beanpole. PERIOD. Live with that fact. Zimmerman is 5'7-5'8" and weighed 200 lbs on the night of Feb. 26. That's 42 lbs more than Slim. Mike Tyson could whoop up on guys a foot taller than himself, so don't lay that crap on me about size. And the reason why Trayvon had no scratches? He didn't get beat up by that gun, he got shot DEAD with it. Zimmerman never needed his fists.
Back to the Bic lighter analogy. Zimmerman was studying to be a cop. He was training himself to shoot to kill. While, mentally, he was still quite green, he really, really pined to be a cop. Obviously, he couldn't wait. Wait! There's more proof. He even lied to his best friend about graduating college. That's how desperate he was.]
I have never believed that George Zimmerman planned to kill anyone that night. I do believe he spent a lot of time on the firing range preparing himself to "shoot to kill" should he ever find himself in a life or death situation. What he didn't receive sufficient training in was how not to create a conflict where none exists to begin with, how to deescalate a potentially volatile situation or exercising basic common sense. Something anyone with or without a gun permit should be mindful of at all times.
Indeed, GZ called the police to report a suspicious person, who he himself claimed to believe was acting strange and was perhaps on drugs. At that point he had done his civic duty. His description alone would lead a reasonable person to exercise extreme caution. One never knows what a drug crazed teenager roaming aimlessly around in the dark might do. Like circle back around and jump some dumbass too ignorant to keep himself in the safety of his car. he could have been armed as well. George knew his neighborhood well and even claimed to believe Trayvon was headed for the back entrance to the neighborhood. It was dark and raining. What kind of idiot gets out of his car and ventures into the darkness to locate their "suspect " who could be lurking around any corner rather than putting his truck in drive and heading to that back entrance? One answer is pretty obvious. An idiot armed with a gun.
Even rookie cops know to wait for back up (remember, LE was on their way) and are trained never to place themselves in a dangerous situation if there is no imminent threat. He knows how to clearly identify himself. He also knows basic self defense, especially against an unarmed suspect. So, I go back to my point that George Zimmerman did not have the necessary training to conduct recon for the SPD or anyone else.
If George believed Trayvon posed a serious threat, why didn't he call 911? Isn't that what a rational person, out to save lives would have done?
I personally don't care if GZ found himself on the receiving end of a can of whoop ass. He created an unnecessary risk the moment he got out of his car to locate his suspect, whom he knew had noticed his unwanted attention.
I am seriously tired of reading about the bigger in death than life Trayvon Martin. If a 27 year old man was such a wimp that he needed a gun to physically defend himself against a teenage suspect who somehow, according to tellers of the tale, grew at least three inches and gained close to forty pounds in less than ten minutes, he should have kept his wimpy, out of shape butt, in his truck. Like Britt says, George had no way of knowing what Trayvon might do. Therefore, when he left the safety of his truck, armed and knowing full well he might have to "kill somebody" if he came face to face with his suspect, in my opinion, he became an aggressor in every sense of the word. And Trayvon Martin became the candidate for a self defense claim.
I support the 2nd Amendment, and SYG when properly and appropriately exercised. I refuse to hold George Zimmerman up as an example of what the framers of our Constitution had in mind when they penned their names to that document.
[I wholeheartedly agree with you, Vicky, and there's no way I could have said it better. Why idiots continue to portray Zimmerman as the poster child for the Second Amendment is beyond me. His tree stump supporters would crap if they found out their hero voted for Barack Obama, who won a huge majority of the Hispanic vote.]
@Dave: "You can ABSOLUTELY disagree with me, but when you write trash like this, you go right in the banned filter. This person from Jacksonville can no longer see my blog. Just a big white screen with two words: No Access.]"
That person and another who recently posted here just hit several pro-justice blogs that discuss LLMPapa's videos. I understand that I am being personally attacked on a blog site frequented by GZ supporters.
As the old saying goes in the legal community;
When the facts are against you, argue the law.
When the law is against you, argue the facts.
When the facts and the law are against you, make personal attacks.
So there. We know the reason for the personal attacks. :-)
[Consider the source, Xena. You made it! Once the attack goes the way you stated, you have become legendary. I am honored to be mentioned on the last refuse site. Refuse as in garbage. I am so hardened from past personal attacks, I no longer take umbrage. The odd thing is, they call me everything their hero is - fat and dumpy. Stupid people.]
I have to agree with you Xena. To take the word of a man, who continuously lies, is beyond my comprehension. I'm still waiting on one of them to explain to me, where George lost sight of Trayvon. If you look at the reenactment, he says the dispatcher asked which direction did he go, while he was parked at the clubhouse. His response was I don't know, because he took a right on twin trees lane. Then he states that Trayvon walked through the T and came back to circle his car. Using "he has his hand in his waistband" as the reference point and matching it to the nen call, I would like to know, how Trayvon made it from the clubhouse, though the T and back down to circle his car, in 9 secs........ George will never tell the truth of exactly what happened. I for one, will never believe, he acted in self defense.
Dave, the videos are representative of fine minds coming to the front of the class and merging into one. Is there a Law museum or somewhere that would like to take these treasures for future references, that they would be made available for Law students and criminal investigators.?
[Fine minds? Thank you, New Puppy. There's no law museum for bloggers, but maybe there will be one some day. Call it the Blawseum. I don't know if I deserve to be in one, but I do think I earned some merit from the old Casey Anthony days.]
GM all
Surprise with Dave's encouragement I have joined this blog. The first time I ever joined one,amazing and saves typing time. At my age I don't have time to waste.
Britt
Could you possibly comment with some degree of intellect and common sense. Your inane remarks about Dave and what Trayvon did or didn't do in his short life or the night he was murdered only show you to be immature and really not very bright.
Questions about Zimmerman's stories.
When EMT's arrived they checked him. No rise in BP no heavy breathing no distress of any kind noted. Why not? He had just shot a child and his comment to someone is "call my wife and tell her I just shot someone".
In the photos taken when he arrived at LE station no grass or stains of any kind on the back of his jacket. If Trayvon knocked him down and he "shimmied" where are the wet marks and grass stains?
If Trayvon beat his head on the cement.
Did they find any of Zimmerman's blood on the cement or grass?
He didn't go to the hospital to get checked. Why not?
In the walk through he has two band-aids on the back on his head. Who put them there?
Now biggest question of all why did he get out of his truck when the operator said "we don't need you to do that"?
[He was already out of his truck and chasing down Trayvon when the dispatcher advised him not to follow, which he DID admit to. He never said anything about getting an address until the next day, after he had time to develop an alibi.
I contend his BP and all other vital signs were normal because his head was not pounded into the sidewalk, nor was he ever close to death as he contends. He was in cop mode all the way. Had to keep his cop coolness. That was what the night was about.]
Vickie
Just curious,why do you think Zimmerman was gettig beat up? Keeping in mind he was armed with a 9mm pistol loaded with steel jacketed bullets do you think he feared for his life?
Do any of you carry a gun? A lot of people do and its like wearing a belt, you get used to putting it on but you dont sit and think about it every second, it becomes second nature. Why can none of you believe this precious 6'2 child attacked George and he had to use it because the child felt it, the same child who has been posting guns on his social media accounts for years? Is the problem George defended himself? Who here thinks George could over power Trayvon Martin? Why does Trayvon not have wounds on his face or arms, oh well his knuckes were a bit bruised from beating Zimmerman.How does Zim hold Trayvon down, grab his gun and shoot him? Can we get some video of that?
[Britt, you've got to stop lying about Trayvon being 6'2". George was a bouncer, for crying out loud, and training to be a cop. What about that do you not understand? As for the gun, it certainly wasn't second nature when he pulled out his gun and fired it, was it? He knew exactly where that gun was at all times, just like someone walking around with an all-beef hot dog sticking out of their butt. Yeah, I guess you get used to it after awhile, but it's still there.]
Britt, do you believe George was right in everything he did that night or does he carry any responsibility at all?
Newbie, if I saw someone looking into my friends window of their home, and knew they did not belong there, I would call the police. George called in the law, that is a fact that is ignored. Are we not supposed to get out of our car in front of a black person? If I am talking to the law and they say, what way did he run off, if I have already taken the initiative to call the cops, I am probably going to go see what what the person went I am calling on. I am pretty sure we can get out of our cars in the presence of "children". Another HUGE fact in this case that no one on a jury is going to understand is hearing your boyfriend get chased down and killed, all scared, and you never once went to the cops. No one on a jury who has lost a loved one suddenly are going to understand that action of the so called girlfriend.
Dave, if you cant look at the recent pics of Trayvon and see he is over 6 feet, then I don't know what to tell you. I know, I know, the autopsy report, and we all know muscles never contract in a condition called "rigor mortis" I am not quite sure why being a bouncer equates with being tough, I am sure you saw what he looked like the night he was taken into custody, I know hes fat now like you love to point out, because lets face it, no one gains weight basically under house arrest right,? Anyways, I don't know one person who is scared of George Zimmerman, hes hardly menacing, and I am sure thats why Trayvon went back for more.
Britt, I don't believe anyone is scared of Zimmerman. He does have a happy trigger finger which can make him a menace. Stature has nothing to do with one's brawn.
Hello, Dave. I am still reading along. keep up the good work.
Dave~~I really don't think much will change regarding the SYG laws as they are now.
- Asking the legislature to examine the “unlawful activity” of the law. The statute says that the Stand Your Ground law can be invoked as long as people are not engaged in “unlawful activity.”
- Training for prosecutors, law enforcement officials and others about how the law works.
- Having the lawmakers consider setting standards for neighborhood watch groups, now left up mostly to local law enforcement.
- Asking lawmakers to examine the definition of “criminal prosecution” to clear up confusion by law enforcement officials about what they are allowed to do under the law
Read more here.....
Stand Your Ground task force finalizing recommendations
Goodness. You have a live one there Dave. :)
Dear Dave, when you run YOUR [EDITED FOR CONTENT] from the entrance to Trayvon's crib for four minutes and post the video, I'll pay attention. Show me how many times Trayvon could have made it home and back to the T, running in four minutes. I'll even cut you some slack, how many laps can you make in two minutes?.
Leeza~~you are tempting fate.
["Leeza" will no longer be joining us.]
Dave~~I call them distractions looking for a reaction. lol
@Britt: Pardon me for jumping in, but I wonder if you could provide a link to where George said he saw Trayvon looking into windows of the home's of his friend’s? I know Taaffe said it, but I don’t believe Georgie boy did.
And, yes, certainly you can get out of your car and follow a person of any color. However, once you have made a non-emergency call about a ‘suspicious person’ and have been advised by dispatch to stand down, I would only suggest that following the purportedly ‘suspicious person’ may not be advisable.
The dispatcher asked Zimmerman for: (1) the address where he (Zimmerman) was currently near, and, later, where Zimmerman would meet the police; and (2) what direction the ‘suspicious person’ (as described by Zimmerman) had run. Georgie had already told the dispatcher that the ‘suspicious person’ was headed for the back entrance. No further address or direction for the 'suspicious person' was needed.
When did DeeDee hear that 'her boyfriend had been chased down and killed, all scared?' Maybe you are so worried over DeeDee because her story fits the facts so well, that it can be nothing but the truth? Truth has that way about it, doesn’t it?
That’s how we can tell George’s story is all lies, nothing jives. You know what I mean? :-)
Britt, I appreciate your thoughts yet don't believe you answered my question.
Again, do you believe George was right in everything he did that night or does he carry any responsibility at all?
@Britt: It is just strange that you like to talk about ‘rigor mortis’ and bodies contracting after death but you don’t like us to talk about your little 5’7”, 205 lb hero. (Of course, he felt he was 6 feet tall the night he shot Trayvon Martin because of that gun tucked in his waistband.)
You don’t think being a bouncer equates with being tough? Have you read Georgie’s description of the night he threw the undercover cop up against a wall (or pillar), and hurt the undercover cop’s back? How about the night his mind snapped and he literally picked-up a girl and threw her out of a nightclub--physically injuring her?
One should be careful, I suppose, about constantly stuffing your face while under house arrest; however, one may also be concerned about one’s diet when one is on enough medication that one can hardly keep their eyes open for a court hearing.
[Great to see you, nan11! GZ sure was doped up or something. His supporters remind me of North Koreans and their now dead "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il. They worship the ground GZ walks on.]
Britt, I am sure it must be quite amusing to pop in, make assertions with no tangible proof, ask questions based upon those assertions and completely ignore very basic questions asked in return.
First of all, I don't view Trayvon as a child, but I will assure you his parents do. Mine are adults with children of their own, and I still view them as children. So please, don't insult those of us who appreciate the sanctity of the true meaning of the word child by using it in a derogatory fashion. Do you have children of your own? Do you have parents? If so, are you your parent's child? Is your son or daughter your child?
Can you please provide us with a link to proof that people shrink following death? That is a totally new one on me. I'd love to share that information with a few of my doctor friends.
Do you own a handgun? Do you carry it with you at all times? If so, do you seriously forget you have it attached to your waste band? How long after you strap it on do you become one with your gun?
Do you position it on your hip, toward your backside? Do you keep it there when driving?
Have you ever called non-emergency on a drug crazed teen wandering around your neighborhood looking into windows? If so, did you follow that person on foot to keep the police updated? If so, weren't you the least bit concerned that you might come face to face with that drug crazed person? Better yet, have you ever observed a suspicious individual you believed to be on drugs. Especially one that was 6'2". Were you not the least bit concerned about your health and well-being? Especially if you believed at the time that person might be engaged in or considering illegal activity?
Please Britt, enlighten us. Are you actually implying that you would have done the exact same things GZ did that night? Are you actually saying that the majority of gun owners would have done the exact same thing? If that is the case, then IMO the majority of gun owners need to turn in their weapon to the nearest police department.
I call bull shit! I live in the Midwest, in a C/C state, and i know more people who have permits than who don't. I have yet to find a single one who views George Zimmerman as a hero to the cause. He is viewed as a pantywaist who ahold have never been issued a conceal carry permit. A gun doesn't give you, George or anyone else the right to throw caution to the wind.
Just a few more questions. How was Trayvon supposed to know that the crazy guy who was following him in a car, exited the car when he rounded the corner?how did Trayvon know where GZ would be coming from so he knew exactly where to hide? Why should Trayvon have run home once he was off the street and away from the guy in the car? Why should he not have assumed he was in the clear at that point? Why when George passed all those homes, did he not knock on a single door and warn them of potential danger from a suspicious acting, possibly on drugs teenager, seen looking in windows? Especially once he had no idea where his suspect had gone!
Come now Britt, can't you answer just a few questions?