LLMPapa's Video Depiction Could Cook Up A Zimmerman Conviction
Saturday, November 10, 2012 at 8:28AM LLMPapa has made quite a name for himself, particularly in video production, since the Trayvon Martin tragedy began making headlines. He’s got such a sharp eye and uniquely analytical mind that complement each other so well, nothing seems to escape him. His work is a gourmet blend of just the right ingredients.
While I fancy myself more of a writer than a videographer, I did manage to get my hands on footage from inside The Retreat at Twin Lakes the other day. I think most of you have probably seen it by now. If not, you can view it on YouTube, where I’ve uploaded some 40 videos. LLMPapa, on the other hand, has produced and uploaded nearly 300. In his latest video, he, once again, pokes holes in one of Zimmerman’s stories now reaching the size of a city block made of Swiss cheese. That would be row after row of thinly sliced fromage piled as high as the Orlando skyline.
The video I put together begins where Zimmerman allegedly parked his vehicle the night of February 26, got out and walked in search of a street name. Or was it a house number? Or was he pursuing Trayvon? I use the word “allegedly” lightly because you can’t trust one word that comes out of his mouth. Did he actually park his SUV where he said he did? Was he really looking for an address when he acknowledged following Trayvon after the dispatcher asked and scolded him for doing so? Something he later denied? That the dispatcher asked for an address that was, in fact, never asked for? You get the picture.
Anyway, LLMPapa, affectionately known as Papa, is like a five-star chef. He has a blank check when it comes to my grocery store of video vittles. He is free to mince, dice, chop and slice any and all elements in order to cook up a crowd pleasing platter of truth when it comes to the rotting lies of George Zimmerman. Low and behold, he did just that! For sure, you can always count on a real treat because he really knows how to dish it. Feed your eyes and ears on this. It’s a veritable mind feast…
To be fair, I think it’s only right to acknowledge a separate video put together by Trent Sawyer, under his pseudonym of stateoftheinternet, that also used part of my footage from The Retreat at Twin Lakes complex.
Finally, I want to thank Frederick Leatherman for posting and promoting my video on his blog, and Xena for helping to put it all together. This is truly a concerted effort. We are seeking nothing more than justice — without skipping dessert or running from the truth.
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Reader Comments (169)
I am glad you brought that up about the color of the hoodie, I had forgotten all about it. Doesnt George get the color of Trayvon`s pants wrong ? Its very odd to me, but likely something we will ever know the answer to but I sure would like to hear George asked about how he knew the color
Just caught a couple things that I thought could use pointing out:
"Thank you, Connie. And anyone on duty with a weapon like that should be affiliated with a law enforcement agency."
Which isn't true according to the SPD. Wendy Dorival (the NHW cooridinator at the SPD) said on the subject of carrying weapons for neighborhood watch:
"“My advice to them was, you have every right to have any weapon you want, that’s your constitutional right, but just remember that same weapon can be used against you and you don’t know what consequences that weapon will bring to you…that’s my standard answer”"
Also earlier Dave said:
"He was already out of his truck and chasing down Trayvon when the dispatcher advised him not to follow, which he DID admit to. He never said anything about getting an address until the next day, after he had time to develop an alibi."
Which is also untrue. On 2/26, George told Singleton when at the Station after the shooting about getting an address.
[Hi, Delk.
My point on the first quote you cited was that, as a "captain" of the NW organization, AND carrying a firearm, Zimmerman considered himself on duty. It really had nothing to do with whether it was legal to carry a weapon or not. Of course it was legal, but he projected himself as a derelict cop. He most certainly was not one; a cop that is. Derelict? In my opinion, he was. His version of "on duty" went against the rules of the NW program, not that there are nationally standardized conditions one must obey, but a real cop would not have reacted the way he did; and like I said on an earlier comment, I've yet to see, read or hear anyone affiliated with NW come out and defend the guy.
I was incorrect on the second quote and thank you for pointing that out. What I meant, though, was that nothing was discussed during the NEN phone call. No matter what time he said something about an address, it was AFTER THE FACT, not during. The actual time (on the clock) is not important. The main thing is that he had time to come up with his distorted version (versions, actually) of the night's events. I do stand corrected, though, and you were right in bringing it to my attention.]
November 18, 2012 | nemerinys
"Now, could you tell from the video, in which the scene was well lit, that Trayvon was specifically wearing a dark gray hoodie? I couldn't - to me, it just looked dark, maybe black or a dark blue; I wouldn't have thought of gray at all.
And the only thing I can think of as to how Zimmerman was able to discern the gray was (1) he observed Trayvon for longer than he indicated before making the call, and (2) he observed Trayvon under well-lit conditions.
Whaddya think?"
I completely agree with you, which is why I posted this vid a while back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEIUL1_1je4
nan11 posted this link
Your picture is kind of blurry, Britt. I could come up with a clearer one.
204 lbs. - 5'7 1/2" Page 2
Short, fat, and wide. : - )
Edited to add: Even the PA termed him 'obese'.
Page shows this
2cm & O.5 cm respectively. Skin edges approximated well.
Now I don't know if this helful but the last joint of my pinky finger is just over 2.5cm. .05 is to small to even mention. Would any reasonable person believe these required those big band-aids Z had on his head? Does anyone really believe they were caused by his head being banged on cement or even grass? Are these the injuries that had Z in fear of his life? Sorry that's just not to be believed,not by me anyway.
Dell, It really doesn't matter when GZ told LE he was instructed to get an address. The fact remains that the dispatcher did not ask GZ to go find an address and report it back to him. He did ask GZ where Trayvon was. GZ responded he didn't know exactly (paraphrased). The dispatcher did not did not ask George to go find an address.
Trayvon ran away, "toward the back gate".. At that point Trayvon was out of sight, and was in no way posing any level of threat to George, as he had implied a few moments earlier. Asking which way Trayvon ran did not necessitate finding an address. If Trayvon was running, he was not static, and a house number would have been of no use to the police. I suppose George could be directionally challenged, but he obviously knew where the back gate was located, and where his street was. And Trayvon was apparently no longer on the street he couldn't remember the name of. so, why leave the truck to look for an address?
Seriously, it does not take a rocket scientist to realize that obtaining a specific address would be useless to LE, unless of course Trayvon was seen entering that address. Perhaps I'm missing something here. IMO, his lame assed excuse of looking for an address to give the police is insulting to anyone with half a brain.
As for George's right to be armed. I agree, NHW can't violate a persons right to carry a licensed weapon. The program does discourage it, for the reasons you quoted above. However, the law does restrict when that gun can and can't be used. If I am not mistaken, that is what this case is all about. A judge or jury will decide whether or not George was justified in drawing and firing his weapon. Their decision will be based upon all of the information that has been introduced and deemed admissible during trial.
I am personally interested in what will be introduced as evidence.
[But the HOA has a bylaw that states a firearm cannot be discharged on the property, so here's dufus who broke his own community's rules. Of course, in his mind, he's above the law because he IS the law.]
I'm not now nor will I ever be a gun owner,way to old. I do however have a question: If you have a permit to carry and are going out to "grocery shop" why would you wear your gun where Z said he had his? Wouldn't that be very uncomfortable while driving? The gun only weighed 18oz.,why not put it in your jacket pocket,or jeans pocket? Does anyone else wonder about the strange things I do?
[I do not own a firearm, either, nor will I ever, Tommy's Mom. In Zimmerman's case, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he normally took it out of his waistband while driving. There's no way he was going to get out of his vehicle that night without his gun. For all we know, he armed himself before he opened his door. He was ready to shoot to kill and that's precisely what he did. It was his mindset as a supercop. Be prepared. Danger is all around, especially if you go hunting for it.]
I am a little confused, "it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he normally took it out of his waistband while driving" I thought GZ had his gun in a holster, but never read if it was shoulder holster of belted.
[The gun was holstered. The holster was clipped to his pants, inside his waistband, so it was between his pants and underwear - not on the outside; not on his belt buckle. That's what really concealed it and why I do not believe Trayvon saw or felt it. It was more on his backside than the side of his pants. More behind his back, but on the right backside.]
LLMPapa - That was brilliant! I'm sorry to say that I hadn't seen that one; I've long ago bookmarked your site, but I've still to catch up with all your wonderful videos.
I hadn't even caught that part of the Singleton interview when he described the hoodie as "grey" - not even "dark grey," just grey. I think this validates DeeDee's statement that Trayvon took shelter in the mailbox area, and that Zimmerman observed him for a much longer time than otherwise implied. (I don't think Zimmerman saw him at the 7-11; that would require a belief that he trailed Trayvon all the way back to RATL, and I can't go that far).
Tommy's Mom - I don't know why I hadn't thought of it sooner, but after reading your comment I looked up the dimensions of the Kel Tec PF-9. That thing is tiny! Fully loaded, it weighs 2.8 ounces, it's 5'85" long, 4'3" high, and 0.88" wide.
Link
Dave - Reading JQ last night, and some people were wondering if you had contacted you-know-who. Just FYI, in case you didn't know. Also, if you were to make another arrangement with the videographer, is it possible for him/her to go there in the evening? I'm just curious of the lighting, particularly if the mailbox area is lit. I agree that either that space was well-lit, or Zimmerman had kept his headlights on Trayvon.
[The answer to the first question, nemerinys, is something I'd rather not discuss openly, but I will say that I did do something about it. With the videographer, I expect some action this week. Fingers crossed, but the problem with night shooting is that video the camera is not conducive to that sort of work. Too dark or, conversely, not enough light. The only other remedy would be for me to go in there some evening, visualize it, then write about what I saw. Try taking pix with my still camera. I shall do my best!]
Too bad the gun didn't "take aim" and fire while it was inside between his pants and underwear. Do you know if he was wearing underwear? If not then we would have contact powder burn pictures to look at. I can not yet believe that George didn't already have his gun in hand when he followed Trayvon on foot. He just doesn't seem all too brave to be looking in the dark for a bad teen. I tend to think Trayvon saw the gun face to face and if he did strike first, it was his only means of defense, maybe trying to knock the gun out of George's hand. Oh there are so many twists we can make out of this case when it is just simply that George killed a young boy without reason. Without cause whatsoever.
Thanks Dave!
[My pleasure, New Puppy. It's sad that he fired his gun at all, but he didn't do it while it was holstered. Personally, and a lot of people feel the same way, I think the gun was out of its holster long before he said it was. In my opinion, it was pointing at Trayvon when Zimmerman confronted him. The boy thought he was going to get shot, so he did everything in his power to defend himself. I wouldn't trust one word that comes out of Zimmerman's mouth. He learned how to lie from his father, if you ask me, and at an early age. His father talks about that night like he was right by his son's side. He wasn't, so how does he profess to know what happened? He doesn't know any more than what his son told him. And us.]
nemerinys
Are you sure those are the correct specs on the gun? The site I posted says:
The gun's biggest selling point is its small size. It's less than an inch wide and when fully loaded weighs just 18 ounces, less than half the weight of a conventional 9 mm.
Read more at Jacksonville.com: Behind the handgun George Zimmerman used to kill Trayvon Martin
Thank you, Connie. And anyone on duty with a weapon like that should be affiliated with a law enforcement agency." This was an opinion stated by Dave that I totally agree with.
... continued ..."Which isn't true according to the SPD. Wendy Dorival ........
"“My advice to them was, you have every right to have any weapon you want, that’s your constitutional right, but just remember that same weapon can be used against you and you don’t know what consequences that weapon will bring to you…that’s my standard answer”" Every member of the police force and anyone with common sense should adhere to this admonition. Zimmerman didn't. Bolded by me for emphasis on the part that Zimmerman obviously either didn't hear or chose to ignore.
Below are links to a couple of old stories about the neighborhood watch up here in Jacksonville.. same state, same rules. Note in both the main emphasis is "do not engage".
Old neighborhood watch story Jacksonville, Fl
Old neighborhood watch story Jacksonville Fl 2
I learned to shoot a gun when I was 9 and my grandfather took us behind the barn with his rifle. My ex husband collected guns, so I am familiar with certain types of guns and I am at a loss what the facination is for some people. The only advantage I can see is control of the situation. That's all well and good if you're pulled up at an ATM and someone tries to rob you with a knife (which happened recently), or if someone tries to car jack or rob you with some kind of weapon. That was certainly not the situation here. Zimmerman created the situation by watching the kid from his truck to the extent that it was noticed by Martin. In his NEN call you can hear the truck and get the idea he is following the kid which made Martin antsy and even though he wasn't doing anything illegal, he started acting like he was. Zimmerman should have left it in the police's hands when he said "he's running" and gave the direction of "towards the back gate". He had already given the NEN a discription of TM, so nothing more was required of him as a neighborhood watch person.
BTW the mention of refilming in the complex at dusk to see if the color of the hoodie can be seen. I would suggest waiting for similar conditions also, because rain and darkness obscure colors, etc..
Tommy's Mom,
First, I want to apologize for not having seen your earlier comment that linked to the article; after I posted, I had a sudden urge to make sure I spelled Britt's name correctly and, re-reading the comments, I found yours.
I think the article got it wrong. I googled "Kel Tec PF-9 specifications" and found their own site. It repeats the information I found on the other site I linked to previously.
Kel Tec Weapons
Dave - Thank you. I now appreciate that night filming might very well be difficult; I just wanted to get an idea of the light conditions present at the main gate, the mailbox area, and street lamps in the general area - not a "walking reenactment," if you know what I mean.
I'm a wee bit obsessed with the subject of George initially seeing Trayvon at the mailbox shelter, and observing him there until Trayvon, understandably unsettled, began moving towards home. Zimmerman's identifying the color of Trayvon's hooded sweatshirt underscores that probability. This would further account for Zimmerman's "depravity of mind," removing, as it does, Trayvon's "suspicious behavior" of looking at houses, staring at Zimmerman, and the "circling" that would have been Trayvon cautiously walking past the truck. It would also attest to Zimmerman having no legitimate reason to condemn Trayvon as a "suspect" and to subsequently pursue him.
nemerinys
Thanks so much for the correction of my account on the gun,I can't imagine a newspaper getting it wrong. ROFL ;-) As I said before I don't know anything about guns so I just took the article to be truth,that should tell us all something about news reporting. Thanks again.
Have a beautiful day.
nemerinys
OK after I posted that comment I looked at the link you posted. I'm not sure I understand where the 2.8oz. for the weight of the gun came from in you original comment.
Another SYG denied.
TAMPA --
Trevor Dooley, on trial in the 2010 slaying of a man during a dispute over a skateboarder at a park in Valrico, is testifying today in his own defense.
Dooley, 71, is facing charges of aggravated manslaughter in the Sept. 26, 2010, death of 41-year-old David James.
According to investigators, the shooting was the result of a playground argument that escalated into a deadly confrontation when Dooley, who lives across the street from the Twin Lakes recreational park, tried to tell a teenage skateboarder to get off the basketball court.
According to court documents, Dooley yelled at the teen to get off the court and strode into the park to confront the teen when James stepped between them.
Dooley has said he shot and killed James in self-defense during the dispute.
Before the trial, Dooley unsuccessfully sought immunity from prosecution under the state's "Stand Your Ground" law.
From TBO.com
Is that not ridiculous ! A man died because another wanted skateboards off a basketball court and another stepped in between the aggressor of a teen and dies
SYG....cheee-it.
On Snoops blog there was a picture of a man with pretty good black eyes and if I remember right, he had some pretty nice facial cuts. Now....this man was caught as the "peeping tom" of the aggressors daughter. My question is did the Peeping Tom caught by the father have the right to shoot that father under the SYG law? If so, I guess rapists and peeping toms better get their carry/conceal permits and make sure they shoot to kill , huh.
Tommy's Mom,
You're right - good catch! Fully loaded, it weighs 5.5 ounces. The 2.8 figure came from an earlier link, which also got it wrong (just shows how difficult it can be to get correct information on the Internet!)
Good morning all! Chilly here in Lakeland,Fl
On the local SYG trial
From Bay News 9 website
By Jason Lanning, Erin Maloney/Paul Mueller, Team Coverage
Last Updated: Monday, November 19, 2012
TAMPA --
After a six day trial and an hour and 40 minutes of deliberations, the jury found Trevor Dooley, 71, guilty of manslaughter for killing his neighbor, David James, 41, in front of James' young daughter, Danielle, in September, 2010.
They also found him guilty of improper exhibition of a firearm and openly carrying a weapon.
Dooley faces up to 30 years in prison. Sentencing is set for Jan. 10.
Dooley had no reaction as the verdict was read but his wife could not hold back the tears and she collapsed into her family’s arms.
Afterward, Dooley questioned whether race played a role.
"Imagine. A 240 pound, 6-foot-1 black man on the court with his daughter playing basketball. A little white man, 160 pounds, came out for any reason whatsoever. The black man attacked the white man and the white man shot him. The little girl had nothing had to do with it. No one had anything to do with it. He brought it on himself," Dooley said. "I tried to go home. I walked away. Do you really think that if it was the other way around and the skin color would be different we would be here today? We wouldn't."
Kanina James, the victim's widow, cried just after the verdict was announced.
"(Dooley) is getting somewhat what he deserves,” James said. “He took my husband's life. I hope he spends the rest of his life in jail and I hope he's miserable.”
Dooley took the stand Monday just before 10 a.m. He told a jury he was standing his ground when he fired on the Iraq war veteran in 2010.
Dooley said he was telling a skateboarder he was not allowed to ride on the basketball court. That's when James told Dooley the teen was allowed to skateboard.
The two men began arguing and Dooley pulled out a gun. Dooley said James was choking him and he was afraid for his life.
"What happened when he got shot? He released my neck, stood up ... put one hand on his chest and ... said 'he shot me,' "Dooley said.
Prosecutors said Dooley shot James in cold blood after they argued. Dooley has claimed self-defense, his lawyer, Ronald Tulin, telling jurors in opening statements that Dooley was being choked by James and had no choice.
James' daughter, now 10, was at the court that day and watched her father die. She testified on Friday. The skateboarder using the court who James and Dooley argued over testified on Thursday.
The defense had hoped the young girl's testimony cleared Dooley by painting James as an aggressor in the incident; something his widow said was hard to hear.
“It was very hard. It was very upsetting,” said Kanina James, on hearing the defense portraying her husband as the aggressor. "He was a really good person. He was a happy person. He got along with everybody. He adored his daughter. I just wish that people could have known the kind of person he was.”
She said she was worried that Dooley would be acquitted and the effect that could have on their daughter, who has already suffered so much and that at this point, there is no sense of closure.
"It breaks my heart that my daughter has to grow up without her best friend,” she said. “This has been very hard on her. She's been in counseling for two years to deal with this.”
Assistant Hillsborough State Attorney Lori Ellingsworth argued that Dooley brought a gun to a fist fight and that the shooting never had to happen.
A judge dismissed Dooley's "Stand Your Ground" defense before the trial started.
Why would his man think he was in charge of the basketball court?
Playing the race card was a cheap shot in my opinion.