Zimmerman Needs More Than Help
Monday, August 20, 2012 at 11:18AM 
From very early on, something just didn’t seem right about George Zimmerman and his gun. It wasn’t one thing, either. It was a series of things, but one stuck out like a sore thumb. Zimmerman is left-handed, or so he claimed when handed a pen by an investigator with the Sanford police while being questioned in one of the interrogation rooms. Why, being left-handed, did he reenact the shooting using his right hand? Twice! That’s one puzzle I may be able to answer, but at the same time, it opens another one.
There are also questions about his confrontation with Trayvon Martin and how the gun came into play. Why wasn’t Trayvon’s blood on Zimmerman’s clothing? Why was there no gunshot residue on Zimmerman’s firing hand? Who or what inflicted the injury on the upper right side of his nose?
One of the questions I’ll answer is in response to something posed by ecossie possie on the previous post simply titled, The Kel-Tec PF-9. Could it have been a burn from the shell casing? I responded that I seriously doubt it, but that I would check with someone who knows.
I have a very close relative who is a major in the USAF. He did one tour of duty in Djibouti and two in war-torn Iraq. He is an avid gun collector and his personal “arsenal” is second-to-none. No one would ever question his credentials as an authority on weaponry, including pistols. To emphasize that point, he owns a Kel-Tec, but it is a model that’s a few notches up from Zimmerman’s.
I told him I had never heard of anyone being injured by a shell casing as it ejects out of the chamber. There isn’t enough velocity. He agreed, but before I could ask him if he was aware of anyone being injured, he said he had gotten a nasty burn on his face from one. But it only touches you for a split second, I responded. He said that casings are extremely hot and one only needs to touch you for a split second to burn. So… to ecossie, you are correct, Sir. It can cause a burn, but the odds are very low that it will hit you in the first place.
I asked him if the recoil of the gun or the back movement of the slide when fired could inflict harm, and he said he doubted it. “Only if the gun is very close to the shooter’s face to begin with.” I guess that means it’s possible, but highly improbable. In this case, who knows?
What about blood splatter? Why wasn’t any of Trayvon’s blood on Zimmerman’s clothing? He knew the answer right away. The blood coming out of the wound was quickly absorbed by his clothing. We know that Trayvon was wearing a light grey Nike sweatshirt (ME-8) and a dark grey Fruit of the Loom hooded sweatshirt (ME-12). That’s two barriers that absorbed the blood.
What about the lack of gunshot residue on the hand that fired the gun? Could this mean that someone else was involved? Of course not. In the case of a revolver, the drum holding the bullets revolves each time the gun is fired. The “silo” that holds each bullet is open on both ends. As the bullet fires, the drum rotates to the next bullet and, like a rocket, emits whatever is left out the back end, causing residue on the hand in the form of spent gunpowder, gunpowder that wasn’t ignited, metal flakes and possible burns. In the case of a 9mm like Zimmerman’s, the slide most likely prevented residue from shooting out the back because there was no escape route. Whatever there was got ejected with the spent shell casing, out and up the right side.
My source is familiar with the type of holster Zimmerman had. If you look at the above photograph, you can see the Velcro. What you cannot see is the Velcro on the other side and the metal clip that holds it to his waistband. The clip slides over the waistband and the holster is worn inside the pants, between the pants and underwear. That’s what keeps it from shifting around and, most of all, conceals the gun from view. The following photograph shows Zimmerman’s holster with the clip attached. It would be way too flimsy to wear on the outside waistband because there’s no strap or any other barrier to hold the gun in place; nothing to keep it from falling out of the holster. I realize he’s left-handed, but there’s a good possibility he’s ambidextrous, meaning, he could shoot the gun with his right hand. With this in mind…
In his on-scene reenactment the following day, Zimmerman demonstrates how he pulled the gun out of his waistband and managed to shoot Trayvon, but his explanation is next to impossible to perform. Study the next picture. It looks plausible, but it’s not. At this point, he has the gun pulled and he’s trying to position it to fire. His left arm represents Trayvon’s. He’s showing the investigators how he pinned Trayvon’s arm under his and was able to contort his arm enough to pull the gun out of its holster. In real life, he would have to have bent his elbow, but in his world, he did not. Somehow, he managed to keep Trayvon’s arm locked tight, pull his gun, move his arm into position and fire directly into his victim’s heart. What incredible aim!
Let’s just assume for a second that Zimmerman played The Amazing Rubber Boy at carnival sideshows around the country and this is the truth. OK, downright impossible, but let’s give him the benefit of the doubt. Wow, maybe he’s a hero after all. Except for one small, but incredibly huge detail. You see, Zimmerman admitted that he wore his holster on his back right hip. The next photo clearly shows where it was as he described it to investigators. It appeared to be above his back right pants pocket.
This is extremely problematic for two reasons.
- He had to partially lift his right backside (that means butt cheek, folks) in order to pull the gun out of its holster. That’s tough to do with someone sitting on you.
- If this is true, as his very own testimony to police demonstrates, there is absolutely no way that Trayvon could have seen that gun if it was holstered, unless he could see through belly fat. This basically proves that Trayvon never spotted the gun to begin with during this ‘so-called’ wrestling match and never went for it, or else it’s the obvious. He did see it because Zimmerman had it drawn all along.
This leads me to one final thought to ponder…
Near the end of his reenactment, Zimmerman tells the investigators that after he shot Trayvon, he continued yelling, “Help me! Help me… I need help,” as he spread the dead boy’s arms out and away from his body.
By now, we know that Trayvon’s arms were beneath him when authorities arrived. Most importantly, we know from listening to the 911 recordings and from witness’s testimony that once the shot was fired, all screaming ceased immediately. There were no more cries for help. It was Trayvon’s cries we heard.
LEGAL NOTICE
©David B. Knechel. All Rights Reserved. No portion of this site can be reproduced in it's entirety or in part without expressed written permission by the owner/administrator of this site in accordance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Section 512(c)(3) of the U.S. Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. §512(c)(3). The charges against defendants are mere accusations and the subjects are presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law.
Reader Comments (117)
Sherry~~would you believe it took me just over three months of analyzing the evidence and learning about this case before I came to the conclusion that Zimmerman is guilty. Now I wonder, if this goes to trial, how long will a jury deliberate. I am an old die hard and hate rushing to judgement. I cannot even begin to predict a verdict if this goes to trial. I don't think, knowing what I do of the evidence, that Z will win a self-defense immunity regardless of what judge makes that decision. After the Anthony fiasco, I keep my guard up when it comes to verdicts being passed down. I will be glad when the state turns over the rest of the discovery to the defense. I think they can hold some back for quite awhile yet unless the judge sets a deadline for it all to be passed over.
I agree with you, Snoopy, that GZ will not get the desired immunity. Its not as cut and dried concerning GZ's innocence as the SPD made it out to be when they decided not to press charges against him. I have to believe that there was good reason that this case was not put in front of a GJ because there was no doubt about his guilt.
I'm just starting to get more involved in this case. I truly believe that a jury will make their minds up about GZ when they learn that he had two opportunities to introduce himself to Trayvon before shooting him. I could leave it at that and wait patiently for the verdict in a few years but this case has way too many good sleuthers in it disecting the evidence that its hard to stop reading about it!
Sherry~~I agree it was a big mistake for Z not to introduce himself to Trayvon. You would think that he would feel real proud to relay that information. Had he done that, Trayvon may be alive today but for some reason, 'depraved mind of Z' somehow I doubt that.
LOL, after Casey, we all promised to go on the wagon but here we are addicted to another case again.
If this was posted before, just disregard. It just came in my mail alerts but that doesn't mean it is new.
George Zimmerman and NBC Caught Lying About Case
It was 'rumored' (oh how I hate that word) in the beginning and before Angela Corey came on the scene that if Z's case went before a grand jury , the decision would be 'no charges to be laid ' or not guilty because of the SYG. Maybe this is one reason Angela wanted to handle the job all by herself.
I know, I know, it was not solely her decision.
Snoops ...Dave ...Sorry I wasnt being obtuse ignorant even when I reposted Patricias informative theorys,,,I had no idea they originated over at Professer Leathermans site,,If I had known I would for sure mentioned /credidted the sourse I read Patricias blog at a couple of differnt sites an neither was the originall an the posters whom cut an pasted it never accredited P Leathmans site as sourse,,,So although I mentioned Patricia..Thanks Snoops an Dave for finding the sourse an credditing it...................
[That's quite fine, ecossie! I am assuming that's where the comment originated because she does comment extensively over there. If it came from somewhere else, please let me know and I will credit that site, too, but only if it came directly from her. I have no problem as long as the person originating the comment is credited.]
I have a question. How can you get a carry permit if you're on meds that affect your personality?
[Lie. Actually, there's nothing in the application that questions one's mental health. Nothing at all.]
Tommys Mom .....You dont bother to mention it an hope the people tasked with prossesing you request .Dont do a thourgh job checking the answers on the app form.Plus he probably managed to crowbar the innffo his father was a magistrate,,,
Thanks ecossie possie.
Oh boy that is scary!
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The attorney for the man who fatally shot Trayvon Martin says he is shutting down a Facebook page the defense team was using because it was leading to unhelpful discussions.
Attorney Mark O'Mara announced the decision Wednesday on a separate website set up to distribute information on George Zimmerman's defense. Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting and has pleaded not guilty. He claims he shot the unarmed teenager in self-defense.
Read more here....
George Zimmerman's Facebook Page Shut Down By His Attorney, Mark O'Mara
[I think it was the prudent thing to do. There were a lot of negative comments, not just positive.]
Dave~~just a wild guess here but I think O'Mara is getting prepared to file a motion to have Zimmerman declared indigent. The money is not rolling in.
[It wouldn't surprise me, but I think the judge and the JAC will want to really scrutinize the books before granting a motion like that. At least O'Mara would be able to get paid something. Not $400/hour, but better than what he's making now.]
Ecossie~~you do not have anything to apologize for, Matey. That comment of Patrica's is all over the place. I just happened to read it at Letterman's. I only visit a couple of blogs besides this one.
Mr. K. I want to thank you all for you making me feel comfortable to come here. It can take time for people to know if we are in a place to put out some question that don't leave us like we are dummie minded. I have been reading back aways and you have a lot of very quick intelligent statements to make on your articles about this Zimmerman. I can see most questions that come to mind have already been answered here and there, so that makes it easy for me to catch up. One thing here today though, is the gun you picture the real gun that Zimmerman carried and shot the boy with. And if he was allowed to have a gun in the first place, is it one that the local police force issued to him because he was a Watchman or Neighborhood Security Watchman in that living complex. If not then where did he get the gun he used, just had bought it from somewhere, or someone, because I am wondering if that particular gun was ever used to commit any other crime. Don't guns have some identity that the law can tell if it has been used before to kill anyone else. Thank you
By the way, you mentioned my name. I had an uncle Eddie who used to warn the children in our neighborhood that to avoid danger we should always keep our "eyeballs peeled" We called him Eyeball Eddie. My being just about the youngest around there and always asking how can somebody PEEL an eyeball, it was a big thing to tease me about until I grew old enough to get the joke. The teasing grew into me being stuck with the nickname Eyeball, until I moved away from that community. It just comes natural for me to use it. I see just about everybody used some silly name to be incognito on some computer blogs.
[The photo above is the actual gun used to kill Trayvon. The bullets were the ones left in the clip/magazine. The magazine is Luger style and it will hold 7 rounds, or bullets. If one is loaded in the chamber, the gun will actully fire 8 rounds. This is commonly referred to as 7+1. GZ's gun had 1 in the chamber and 6 in the clip, for a total of 7 bullets. Whether the bullet that killed the boy was in the chamber all along or if it was primed prior to the shot remains a mystery. There are sounds on the dispatch phone call, but there were numerous noises that sounded like tinkering with the gun. Whether the gun was primed before or after isn't so important to me because the bottom line is, GZ knew the gun was loaded when he got out of the vehicle. He was prepared for a confrontation of some kind.
It is easy for anyone to get a gun in the state of Florida. No one but the state issues a license, and almost anyone can get one. He was nothing special in that department. Police departments have nothing to do with private citizens and guns. They don't know a thing, and when they pull you over in a traffic stop, they have to assume the worst - that you are armed. Florida is one of the most lax states in the country when it comes to guns, sadly. The only identifier is the unique etch lines in each bullet as it's fired. The gun barrel of every gun is like a fingerprint. When the bullet is fired, it spirals out and the bore grooves when the barrel was made leaves those lines. Every round from that gun will look the same, meaning identical grooves. If the gun was never used in the commission of a crime, it's the same as your fingerprint. If you've never been arrested, your fingerprints are not on file. If it's the first time the gun was used in a crime, there's no record of the grooves. I hope that answers everything. I see Snoopy helped out with your answer and I just wanted to add icing on the cake.
Thanks for asking. There are NO dumb questions here.
Keep your eyeballs peeled... I love it! Thanks for the story.]
Eyeball~~Mr K, Dave, is busy working on a computer problem. I hope you wont mind me answering for him. The pic of the gun and holster etc posted above is from the evidence file. ( I think) It is the one George Zimmerman used to shoot Trayvon. Zimmerman purchased the gun himself and he also filled out an application and rec'd a concealed carry permit, a license to carry the gun.
Zimmerman was the captain of the Neighborhood Watchmen, not a Neighborhood 'Security' Watchman. He was not a policeman but came across as a 'wanna be cop.' Z made many mistakes the nite he shot and killed Trayvon Martin. He should never have been carrying a gun when he was working in the capacity of a NW. He should never have pursued Trayvon and waited for the police to arrive instead. He also should have rolled down the window of his truck and told Trayvon that he was a NWatchman and asked Trayvon what he was doing instead of thinking the teenager was up to no good and taking the law into his own hands by chasing after him. Zimmerman did not follow the rules of a smart NWatchman.
Sry, I cannot explain things as well as Dave. He will correct my mistakes. lol
I really been wondering about all that, thank you Snoopysleuth.
I can't say it enough. Neighborhood Watch (no "man", sorry Snoopy- it's just Watch) is nothing more than you or I walking down the street and reporting suspicious activity. The only difference is that he's listed as being on the Watch, and thus might be listened to a little more. Even though there's no proof of that either. The neighborhood watch meets occasionally with a police liason and the members are given instructions on what constitutes suspicious people or situations. Thus they are a bit more informed in those areas than you or I. That's all there is to it. So what the police are saying when they bring that up to GZ is "you're our eyes and ears in the neighborhood" and that alone should give him just a bit more credibility. I'm just sad to see such a great group of people even associated with a wannabe cop vigilante. And in answer to your question eyeball "No, they are not supposed to be armed". They are not cops, they are not security guards, they are just neighbors like you and me keeping an eye out for others, and reporting suspicious behavior.
Conniefl~~thanks for pointing that out to me. It is strange when I typed that I knew there are women who go out on neighborhood watch. IIRC, you mentioned that you did. I know that the Neighborhood Watch work hand in hand with the police depts. I went back tonite looking for that link you put in for me re the rules and regs of the NW but forgot which thread it was in. When I googled, I couldn't come up with the exact one. I wanted to post the link on another blog as there are still many who are not familar with the rules.
Thanks again for alerting me of my mistake.
It is all a lot easier to understand when it comes from another person. I have been reading the Right to Carry 2012 as of February 28th, 2012 and being all that legal you have to have a pretty good education to figure it all out. I guess it is put out by the NRA-ILA and really makes sense to anybody all familiar with guns. Right-To-Carry 2012 is about the only thing I know how to give you that I been reading.
Mr. K. Dave, I'll try to get used to Dave since that is what others call you. Your detail just opens up the whole scene and covered anything I could have added in thought, for you took so much time to write. This is what I've heard about you, how personal you discuss the subjects with people and not everyone does that on a blog. It is very very much appreciated. Thank you
I used to follow Attorney Bill Sheaffer and was a little surprised he is not into this case to because it really has so many many variables in what people are speculating. He never took much time to actually write back to visitors but I thought he was pretty good at the time. Nancy Grace used to be the TV program that always had something about that baby Caylee's murder but I just don't care for her so much anymore.
[I'm sorry I'm so late getting back here, to you, Eyeball, and to everyone else. I took a look at the RTC article and I will definitely want to read it. I need to know as much as I can about it, especially before I attend a Second Amendment convention next month. The article looks impressive. Thanks for providing the link. I fixed the link, too, so everyone can read it.
You can call me whatever you feel most comfortable with. I've been called a lot of different things in my life.
I want to cover as much detail as possible. Between my articles, comments and everyone else's contributions, this is a pretty stable blog. Nothing fancy or outlandish about it. No wild ideas, either. Ideas, yes! But nothing off the wall. Mostly, we discuss what's been presented by the State and Defense, and the Court, of course. I do like to taake time to respond personally. I may not do it in a timely manner sometimes, but I do try to get back to everyone. I'm glad you appreciate that.
Bill Sheaffer is a consummate gentleman. When he had his blog, it was a great place to learn when he had time to write. If you aren't all that familiar with Richard Hornsby, he occasionally writes about this case, too. Now that Mark NeJame is on CNN, he's also very, very good. Believe it or not, as brash as Nancy Grace is on TV, I got to know her at the Anthony trial and she is a friendly, down-home person. What a world of difference when she's on her show. I rarely watch any of those shows these days. As you know, I wrote extensively on the Anthony case, but with this one, I'm taking a different tack. This is a huge story, but there's not always something new to write about, so I don't. I don't have the need or desire to write every day. So I don't. Anyway, thank you. I enjoy your comments.]
I guess I'm still a little off-topic here, but here are a couple links that go into the crime watch program just a little further, Snoopy. It's for the county I live in which is north of Sanford County, but the program is the same nationwide.
more detailed info on crime watch programs
Jacksonville Fl article about the program that came out right after the shooting down in Sanford (it states what the Sheriff expects from the Block Captains)
[Please keep those NW links coming, Connie. Thank you.]
Conniefl~~thank you so much. I appreciate your help.
Marinade Dave, I have been reading most all of your articles in here and I must say that you are an excellent writer and explain things so well. I visited other blogs but this one seems to be so informative and you have some great minds commenting here. Thank you for a all your great work.
[Hello, my little ChickaDee, as W.C. Fields used to say. I'll bet you know who he is with a name like that! Thank you for the compliment on my writing. I like to think that, between me and the commenters, we rather complement each other and that's really what makes this blog work. I hope to see you again. Feel free to offer your opinions!]
Dave...Any chance that the Prosecution reads your blog? Let's hope so because you and your contributors have certainly provided sterling information for them to use. Bet Z reads it, and let's hope it makes him break into a cold sweat!!
[Hello, K in AZ, great to see you! I guess there's a chance that the prosecutors read my blog, along with Z and his defense counsel. O'Mara did say he has a staff of two committed to reading the blogs, but de la Rionda and Angela Corey don't really seem like the type. It would be nice...
If Z reads it, I hope it keeps him awake at night, too. And a chronic upset stomach. I hope you continue reading. I know you're busy, but say hello when you can, and offer your thoughts. Thanks, I appreciate it.]
Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case are expected today to file paperwork with an appeals court asking it to allow Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. to stay on the case.
Defense attorney Mark O'Mara wants Lester gone. O'Mara alleges the Sanford judge cannot be fair because he has described Zimmerman as a manipulator and suggested that the defendant and his wife were hiding $130,000 dollars, a spare passport and were preparing to flee.
Lester rejected O'Mara's request three weeks ago, describing the defense attorney's motion as legally insufficient, so O'Mara filed an appeal with the Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach.
That court asked prosecutors to file paperwork by today, explaining their position.
That had not happened as of noon.
Read more here.....
Prosecutors expected to weigh in today on whether judge should stay on Zimmerman case
[When I come home late tomorrow morning, I'm going to write about this and the other stuff released today, Snoopy, so thank you for this link and the ones you listed below. I may be seeing a pattern evolving...]
States Response to Defendant's Amended Notice of Objection to Subpoena
George Zimmerman Defense Team Keeps Twitter, Website
Dave~~Zimmerman wants to be able to leave Seminole County.
Motion To Modify Conditions of Release
Dave~~the state filed a motion today ( to the appeal court) to rebut the defense motion to have Judge Lester step down. It wasn't filed until 5pm so has not been made public. Today was the deadline to file it.
[Yes, from the Florida Fifth District Court of Appeal Docket, this has been sitting there for weeks:
ORD-Writs Show Cause w/out Reply - BY THURSDAY, AUG. 23, 2012 BY 5:00 PM; ORDER SHALL NOT STAY PROCEEDINGS IN LOWER TRIBUNAL RELATIVE TO THIS CAUSE.
I knew something had to be going on. I can't wait to read it. But we may not any time soon. This order isn't published in our court.]
Dave~~the states reponse to the defense's amended notice to squash the subpoena to get Z's medical records is POTENT. You can see which direction De La Rionda is going in and he means business. He wants the pictures of Z's injuries along with X'rays, CT scans and MRI's. (BDLR already knows there are none...oops now Judge Lester will know too. Is this strategy or what?)
The hearing re the Medical records takes place at 8:30am tomorrow morning, Aug 24th.
The motions to the appeals court go to Daytona... lol. Not sure what county that is in.
[edit....I love my google....Daytona Beach is a city in Volusia County]
[I will be at the vet at 8:30 in the morning with more important matters. But yes, he does mean business. The state of Florida could not have chosen a better prosecutor to pit against Z. That boy will be too terrified to take the stand.]
Dave~~when O'Mara had his presser, he mentioned that he was going to file a motion so Z could leave Seminole County. His argument was that it cost more for Z's security and because Seminole County was confining Z was more vunerable with all the threats against him. ( not in those exact words.) He must have felt that argument would not work because he has now changed his strategy... read below..
He asked Lester to modify the conditions of Zimmerman’s release and lift the restriction requiring him to live in Seminole County in a motion filed with the Eighteenth Judicial Circuit Thursday.
“Communications have been unnecessarily limited to telephone and occasional visits by counsel. Mr. Zimmerman must be able to travel to meet with his lawyers, and to attend to various other necessary matters to prepare this matter to move forward,” O’Mara said of his client, who is charged with second-degree murder in the Feb. 26 shooting of Miami Gardens teen Trayvon Martin in Sanford.
Read it all here at....
Source
I still feel sorry for Mark to have gotten mixed up in this mess...... The next motion will be to have Z declared indigent. Dave, I am wondering if O'Mara is filing all these motions now because he figures it will make Judge Lester look worse if he denies all of them. After all, Judge Lester is hanging onto that bench for dear life. Don't mind me as that is the way my brain operates. I am anxious to read De La Rionda's motion to the appeals court. He is a feisty one.
[I think he's filing those motions because, A) he has to, and B) his client is making him. Personally, I don't think the judge is hanging onto anything. He's doing fine right where he is.]
Dave~~This is GOSSIP but I thought you may be interested. It sounds like Z's mom-in-law was up to no good. She was on drugs or something. It ended up to be drugs but still a DUI. Seriously, the woman could have killed innocent people. Just a little over a week ago, it was Z's BFF who got caught for DUI. I wonder if Z made God angry after what he said on the Hannity show. My God said, "blessed little children who come unto me." He did not say to judge the children and then murder them.
Zimmerman's mother-in-law charged with DUI-Video
Dave, ha, I did it! Thank you for setting that link to the Right To Carry information and for telling me about the Richard Hornsby Blog. I didn't have any luck finding the right one for Richard Hornsby. There is one that is a professor of Law, Fredrick Leatherman. I read some there but it adds a lot more confusion because it has so many different suggestions as to how this crime happened and we can only have one way for sure in the end so the facts there are more puzzling than coming to conclusions. There is some good thinking there though and I do see his wife writes about her visit to a prison for women which is more interesting to me. I can't believe she got the nerve to go in amongst some women like that. I'd like to find just one good place and you seem to be one that can be trusted to tell it like it is without shooting off into a million different angles. I try to stay with the most suitable for me to understand. There isn't hardly anything in the broader news media right now, so I'm thinking your place here is as good as I am going to find right now.
I think this Zimmerman case has been gone over with a fine tooth comb by the public opinion and what we have to do mostly now is wait on how The legal process sets up to go to trial. It seems the defense is looking for any possible way to keep delaying everything. I wish we could hear more from the prosecution but it is the smart thing to do in keeping it to themselves until the day of reckoning.
If you only write every few days I think that is good because it takes a lot of time to gather up all that there is and sort it out to give it back to us as accurate as possible. Like Chickadee said above. Thank you for all you do.
Dave~~Here is the same video and a write up. Can you be charged for DUI when it is caused by prescription drugs in Florida? I am almost sure you can as I read it somewhere in my travels but it was another state. Dean sure had quite a lot of drugs in her system by the sounds of things. I see she was arrested but that does not mean she was charged or at least I did not see it in writing except in the title of the article.
George Zimmerman's mother-in-law charged with DUI
Good to see you Eyeball. I add a bit of gossip in here and Dave doesn't mind going Off Topic 'of the post' when things slow down.
Marinade Dave, you have a good sense of humor and a great mind. I have been to the Leatherman blog and I agree with Eyeball that your blog is much better by far. There are way too many shorter comments at his blog than here. I like the meaty kind of comments with lots of good information. I do more reading than typing but wanted to thank you for the warm welcome. I look forward to your next post.
Thank you Snoopysleuth, I'm kind of a slow learner so I'm not too much on gossip since I learned the hard way by the time it got to me where I could put my twist on it, there weren't any truth left in it, or if it was one of the celebrity break ups, by the time I had something to say, they were all back together already, so if I told it, would have been a lie and I don't like to lie, or maybe I should say I don't like to get caught. Can you imagine this man Zimmerman thinking he is going to get away with all the lies he's been giving the law. I just don't see how his lawyer can stand being caught up in all that. Becoming indigent is mentioned, but if that was going to happen I'd think it should have already been declared by now.
I just said I was a slow learner but I don't think that is right so much is I can see things different sometimes and it takes me awhile if I come to think like somebody else, so they think I am not able to understand how to be normal and that's just not true at all but I wouldn't deny that I may be dyslexic some. You know what that is don't you, it is thinking from the wrong end from what other people do so it is always a guess as to which end that can be for any of us.
Eyeball~~yes, I am very familar with dyslexia. In fact, we have a wonderful person who comments on this blog and mine who is dyslexic. Some time ago, he explained on Dave's Wordpress blog all the hardships he endured when young and into his teens. He forged on and got a good education and then gainful employment. He also has a wonderful, caring personality and I am proud to consider him a very dear friend. I think anything can be achieved when we put our minds to it.
Enquiring minds want to know. :) I don't know the make and model of the Honda Ridgeline Georgie was driving. Wondering about the dinging noise it made, when he opened and closed the door on the non-emergency call. I'm not accustomed to a vehicle that makes a sound, unless you leave your keys in the ignition or the headlights on. Usually they are two different sounds. Any thoughts on this???
[It's easy, Joanna, the Honda (make) Ridgeline (model) is a mid-size/full-size sport utility truck. What's not easy, unless you own one, is if leaving the keys in the ignition or the headlights on make different warning sounds. I have a late model Ford and I think my warnings are the same, whether the lights are on or the keys are left in the ignition. I don't know what year his vehicle is, either. Some have automatic lights. In other words, the lights will turn off by themselves, but I don't know if it has that feature. I've read that he left his keys in the ignition, but there is no proof of that that I am aware of.
Taking into consideration that a Honda key was found at the scene, it's probably safe to assume it belonged to George. Here's the real puzzle. If George was on his way to the grocery store, why no wallet, no credit cards, no cash and no house key? Something tells me he was up to no good. Something else tells me he left his headlights on and facing the sidewalk in so he could see his way around, even if he entered in between buildings located south of where he parked. The headlights would have served as a beacon of sorts. Had he looked north from his entry point, he would see enough light to make out a human.
Gee, I hope I didn't confuse you more. Ask me again if I did, or ask anything else. Thanks.]
Honda key and flashlight noted as marker 1 at the scene.
Snoopy this is from the Fl Dept of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles:
DUI (Driving Under the Influence of Alcoholic Beverages, Chemical Substances or Controlled Substances). s. 316.193, F.S.
Under Florida law, DUI is one offense, proved by impairment of normal faculties or unlawful blood alcohol or breath alcohol level of .08 or above. The penalties upon conviction are the same, regardless of the manner in which the offense is proven.
=======
From me. Impairment of normal faculties can be caused by prescription medications. Down here in the states things like over the counter cold meds have a warning not to drive because it can make you drowsy. Whether it's controlled or not, alcohol or drugs, if it impairs your driving you can be arrested.
This is the link for the above site:
Official website: Florida DUI and Administrative Suspension Laws
Just a note our preacher is dyslexic,and has been preaching the gossip for more than 50 years. He knows the scriptures from memory and will get one wrong every now and then but,usually corrects himself. He is an amazing man and a great preacher. A true student of the Book.
BTW: Possible side effects of hydrocodone
•dizziness
•drowsiness
•itching
•nausea
•vomiting
Conniefl~~thanks once again for the info. I know they have a warning on over the counter drugs too that you should not drive or operate machinery. I am glad that Shellie's mother did not kill anyone or herself. Her mug shot is out there now. I honestly don't think anyone is threatening her life anyway.
Dave is back from the vets and is off again taking care of more business but will check in here a bit later.
Dave et al~~ The article also explains Judge Lester's decision about Z's medical records....
SANFORD - The judge in the Trayvon Martin-George Zimmerman case agreed this morning to let the defendant travel to Orange County but only to go to his lawyers' offices.
Defense attorney Don West this morning asked Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester to let Zimmerman, 28, move out of Seminole County.
Lester said no, that that entailed too much planning and coordination with local law enforcement agencies, who are required to monitor Zimmerman's whereabouts 24 hours a day.
Read more here....
George Zimmerman gets permission to travel to Orange County
This is included in the link that I just posted. That 26 page motion that De La Rionda filed with the appeal court should be an interesting read.... We may get some more docs to view soon, see my bold...
An appeals court is still considering whether to boot Lester off the case. The state late yesterday filed a 26-page pleading, urging the Fifth District Court of Appeal to leave him in place.
Assistant Attorney General Pamela Koller wrote that Lester gave Zimmerman "a well-deserved tongue lashing" in a July 5 bond order in which the judge accused the defendant of manipulating the court system by failing to disclose that he and his wife had $130,000 and a spare passport.
But in the same order, Koller pointed out, Lester ruled in Zimmerman's favor, granting his request to be released on bail.
A judge who does that, Koller wrote, has not provided clear evidence that he is biased or will be unfair to the defendant in the future.
Also today, de la Rionda handed over to O'Mara the most recent batch of state evidence, according to court paperwork.
I'm on my iPad, but it's important to note that de la Rionda did not file the 26 page pleading, it was Assistant Attorney General Pamela Koller.
Back to doing what waiting rooms are best known for... WAITING.
Dave~~thanks for that info.. it is good to keep our facts straight. I am still learning as I go...
Now go back to waiting ....lol
Well, as a person with little patience when awaiting a new post, I say:
Marinade, use your waiting time to get a good post going !!!! Anxiously waiting !!
Tomorrow, Newbie... It's been one of those days, let me tell you.]
I wrote something today and I lost it I guess. It all happened so fast I don't know what it was. I'll just try to say I am a little dyslexic as I am without a lot of education and know how on proper ways to write down as I am better if I talk it out. Dyslexic is not something that keeps somebody from being real smart and able and not having a lot of education has a lot of assosiation that might be the same.
Thank you Tommys Mom, You are a very uplifting person and know memory is very valuable. There is more to learn each passing day as what I thought was good yesterday changed today and as often the other way round.
With regard to the clicking and tapping sounds heard on NE call
Clicking sounds – Loading the magazine? Would the magazine follower [resembles a small thick metal plate] make a sound as it is depressed on the magazine spring?
Tapping sounds – Tapping the magazine to align the rounds before loading the magazine into the weapon?
Click from the magazine catch?
Then pulling back on the slide, pulling a round from the magazine into the chamber?
=========
If he didn’t have the gun out and at the ready, I have to ask, could he have been carrying the weapon holstered around his ankle? Curious he doesn’t mention what he was doing with his feet or legs while being beat to near diaperdom
=========
IMHO good, bad, or in between discharge weapon like there’s an attorney attached to every bullet – of course this HO would be wasted on ole pisspotpete
Take care Dave
[Hello, mimmie! How nice to see you!
I really don't know what to make of all those clicking noises, but I don't believe it was the gun. I think it was some kind of quirky noise in the phone recording equipment. I don't see how he could yack on the phone while fidgeting with that gun all the while. I also think, if anything, that he had the gun out soon after he hung up the phone with the dispatcher. Once that human connection was broken, he needed his gun as his security blanket. The holster, by the way, was on his rear right hip, inside his waistband.
Ah yes, good ol' Piss Pot Pete from the Blue Balls Bar.
Thanks, mimmie, and you take care, too.]
I havent seen this posted yet, and I know some are waiting to see this
State response to petition for writ of prohibition
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2012-08/120756960-24130516.pdf
[THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, Elmosmommy. I didn't really expect to see this today.]
Elmosmommy~~thank you so much! Yes, that is the one we have been dying to read. I will just make the link clickable...
State response to petition for writ of prohibition