The Prince and the Pea: Subjective or Objective Fear in the Petitioner?
Saturday, August 25, 2012 at 9:56PM 
In his ORDER SETTING BAIL on July 5, 2012, Judge Kenneth Lester made several stipulations clear about what attorney Mark O’Mara’s client, George Zimmerman, could and could not do. For instance, he would be able to travel anywhere he wants as long as it’s within the boundaries of Seminole County. If he finds it necessary to leave the county, all he has to do is pass it by the court for authorization. It’s a rather plain and simple directive and something a five-year-old should be able to comprehend.
However…
In his MOTION TO MODIFY CONDITIONS OF RELEASE dated August 22, 2012, Mr. Zimmerman, through his attorneys, cited two issues pertaining to matters addressed in the judge’s above order. Call them problematic. The Court, for instance, must realize by now, due to the great amount of national and international publicity, not to mention notoriety and animosity, that Zimmerman “and his entire extended family have had to live in hiding, fearing for their own safety.” Therefore, he should be able to move out of the county, too.
I disagree with Mr. O’Mara’s choice of words. He exaggerates. How? In many ways, but for now, here’s a ‘for instance.’ It’s one thing to complain about the woes that have befallen his client, but his client and only his client was responsible for the big mess he’s in — not his family. Daddy did not hold his hand the night he pulled the trigger. Therefore, why bother bringing up any issue over his family’s fears for their own safety? It’s not that I don’t care, it’s just that there is nothing stopping them from moving out of the area any time they please. There are no restrictions on them whatsoever, and to suggest in that motion, albeit indirectly, that the Court was somehow responsible for this problem is, well, not showing a clear sense of responsibility. There is no way the Court can magically order the public to leave the Zimmerman family alone.
This is George’s unfavorably conducive style; his M.O. These are his edicts, sua sponte, not necessarily those of his attorneys. While his motions are filled with innuendos that tend to absorb what little substance they hold, it’s when he opens his mouth that we see him for what he is.
Full of Zimmermanure.
He not only speaks with a forked tongue, he also twists his tongue when he speaks. A good example of this came during his Hannity interview on FOX News. When asked if he would have done anything any differently, given ample opportunity to think about it now, he said he really hadn’t had the time to think about it, but after thinking about it, he wouldn’t have changed a thing. He regretted nothing and it was God’s plan. He had nothing to feel sorry about. Did that make sense? Wait. It gets worse.
Later in the broadcast, he turned and faced the camera, and in his best “My fellow Americans…” presidential-style address, he apologized to the nation, his wife, and everyone involved in the case, including Trayvon Martin’s parents. In my opinion, it was, at best, sickeningly insincere. Incidentally, a truly biased judge would have called him on the carpet for addressing Trayvon’s parents because, in his order, Judge Lester wrote:
“The Defendant shall not have any contact with the victim’s family, directly or indirectly, except as necessary to conduct pretrial discovery through his attorneys[.]”
Redundancy
My complaint, while being about the Petitioner, also includes his attorney and how he’s handling the case; his motions, in particular. In this very same Motion To Modify Conditions Of Release, O’Mara wrote:
“One of the conditions of release is that Mr. Zimmerman is not to leave Seminole County without prior authorization by this court.”
Right, Mr. Knechel, you already said that. Well, yes I did, but so did the judge and Defense, and just to clarify, this is a two-part motion. The second part addressed traveling outside the county, not moving out. The judge’s order covered it and the defendant acknowledged it, so what was the point of this final statement in Zimmerman’s latest motion?
“The restriction of Mr. Zimmerman not to leave Seminole County has had a deleterious effect on his ability to assist in the preparation of his own defense. Communications have been unnecessarily limited to telephone and occasional visits by counsel. Mr. Zimmerman must be able to travel to meet with his lawyers, and to attend to various other necessary matters to prepare this matter to move forward.”
Hmm… deleterious… injurious to health; pernicious, hurtful, destructive and noxious according to dictionary.com. My, what $5.00 words he uses that won’t impress any sitting judge let alone little old me. While I realize the motion also asked that Zimmerman be allowed to move outside of Seminole County, a request the Court denied, the rest of it is redundant. Here, verbatim, is what the judge wrote in his July 5 order:
“The Defendant shall not leave Seminole County without prior authorization by this Court[.]”
How much clearer can one get? All the defense had to do was ask. Why was it necessary to dedicate the brunt of this motion on something that was already covered a month-and-a-half earlier? And if O’Mara were really fearful of Zimmerman’s safety while residing somewhere in the entire county of Seminole, how much safer should he feel while his client is sitting in his office in downtown Orlando? Talk about deleterious! I’m serious.
Here’s the way I see George Zimmerman. When he doesn’t get what he wants, he whines and cries. He feels boxed in and claustrophobic. He gets restless and can’t sleep at night. His mattress turns lumpy. You see, George is starting to remind me of The Princess and the Pea with one major difference. He cannot get a comfortable night’s sleep until all his demands are met. The pea, in this case, is Kenneth R. Lester, Jr. who must be removed and replaced by a fairy tale friendly judge so Prince George, his friends, his family and his fellow American loyalists will be allowed to live happily ever after.
Fearing Fear Itself
In Nit-Picking Nit-Writ, I addressed the PETITION FOR WRIT OF PROHIBITION filed by the Zimmerman defense. I pointed out how O’Mara had offered evidence about the shooting on the night of February 26 and why it was not only unnecessary, it was useless. A writ of prohibition, in this case, only pertains to why the trial judge should be recused. It’s not for anything else. What O’Mara did was inflate a very weak document with superfluous fluff, like adding TVP to a package of fatty, grisly hamburger meat, and I don’t feel the appeal court is going to buy any of it.
I do believe that Assistant Attorney General Pamela Koller offered up a much meatier argument against the Defense appeal. I will elaborate on that a bit and address the finer points of the State’s RESPONSE TO PETITION FOR WRIT OF PROHIBITION. In particular, I want to look into the two types of fear that the district court will examine — objective and subjective.
In 2005, I wrote a post about how slants change your views of the news. Titled, An unbiased look at news slants, I last updated it in February of 2010. I think it should give you a foundation on objectivity and subjectivity.
Objective information strives to remain unbiased. Dictionaries and other materials of reference, such as encyclopedias, generally provide factual information. Traffic lights are red, green and yellow. Yellow means caution, green means to go and red means to stop.
Subjective information is formed by personal opinion. Editorial sections in newspapers are subjective. While editorials and letters to the editor can be based on fact, opinions are usually based on personal interpretations of facts. Humans are responsible for global warming. Global warming is caused by natural earth cycles, such as the Ice Age. In these cases, separate and valid viewpoints can be substantiated by citing legitimate sources.
We know that George and Shellie Zimmerman lied to the Court about access to money and a second passport they claimed they didn’t have. The judge acknowledged that in his order revoking bond and Team Zimmerman then proceeded to call it biased, including the judge’s reprimand. (It’s interesting to note that the defendant still managed to post bail despite the Court setting it much higher than what was originally granted.) The fact that bail was granted at all after the second request could be considered a testament to the judge’s fairness.
The Judge’s Order Setting Bail infuriated the Defendant and his counsel. How dare the Court look at his lies at all, let alone “judge” his actions and lack of respect for the court. To do so was nothing short of biased, they claimed, so they filed their writ of prohibition with the higher court. The bottom line now is how the Fifth District Court of Appeal will look at this motion — as an objective or subjective complaint — and rule accordingly, based on objectivity. Does Zimmerman have a leg to stand on? Is his distress based on a paranoid fear of persecution in general (subjective) or has this judge exhibited (objective) behavior in the past that truly legitimizes his concerns?
Let’s look at this objectively. In its response to the writ, the State wrote:
Petitioner complains about rulings in the past in his background section, but it is well established that “[t]he fact that the judge has made adverse rulings in the past against the defendant, or that the judge has previously heard the evidence, or ‘allegations that the trial judge had formed a fixed opinion of the defendant’s guilt, even where it is alleged that the judge discussed his opinion with others,’ are generally considered legally insufficient reasons to warrant the judge’s disqualification.” Rivera, 717 So. 2d at 481 (quoting Jackson v. State, 599 So. 2d at 107; see also Areizaga v. Spicer, 841 So. 2d 494, 496 (Fla. 2d DCA 2003) (It is well established that a trial court’s prior adverse rulings are not legally sufficient grounds upon which to base a motion to disqualify).
In other words, this is not merely a complaint about Lester’s language in the bail order, it’s also about his prior rulings in Zimmerman’s pretrial motions. This is something that should be taken up post-conviction, if necessary, not now, and it epitomizes my description of superfluous fluff; not worth the paper it’s printed on. What the defense wants to do is set a silly precedent; that every single defense motion denial is biased. This would then have to include every case that has ever come before a court. Overturn every verdict because motions were denied! All in the name of George! Clearly, this is subjective thinking. “I think,” O’Mara could opine, “every motion that was turned down was done so by judicial bias.”
Of course, it’s every defense attorney’s dream, but most are smart enough to know it’s nothing more than a whimsical flight of fancy. Cheney Mason tried the same thing during the Anthony case and got nowhere.
The State cited Rolle ex rel. Dabrio v. Birken, 984 So. 2d 534, 536 (Fla. 3d DCA 2008):
Likewise, we recently pointed out that a “mere ‘subjective fear’ of bias will not be legally sufficient, rather, the fear must be objectively reasonable.” Arbelaez v. State, 898 So. 2d 25, 41 (Fla. 2005) (quoting Fischer v. Knuck, 497 So. 2d 240, 242 (Fla. 1986)). We do not find Mansfield’s allegations of fear to be objectively reasonable. See also Asay v. State, 769 So. 2d 974 (Fla. 2000). Our cases support the trial court’s denial of the motion to disqualify, and we affirm the trial judge’s order.
Notwithstanding, Lester had every right to keep Zimmerman behind bars because the State went on to say that:
The judge again set a bond for Petitioner, and Petitioner is currently out on bond. Thus, the grounds listed by Petitioner in his motion are facially insufficient.
… and that the Petitioner is manipulating the system. From Cf. Brown, 561 So. 2d at 257 n. 7:
(“We hasten to add that our holding should not be construed to mean that a judge is subject to disqualification…simply because of making an earlier ruling in the course of a proceeding which had the effect of rejecting the testimony of the moving party. At the very least…there must be a clear implication that the judge will not believe the complaining party’s testimony in the future.”).
While the assistant attorney general cited many examples of why this particular writ of prohibition is without merit, it is, by its very nature, nearly as subjective as the writ itself. Both sides came to their respective conclusions based on their own interpretations of case law. As the appellate court looks at this issue with complete objectivity, it should see that Judge Lester has not been prejudiced against George Zimmerman — and most assuredly, not personally. In my opinion, based on what the Defense and State both submitted, the original motion to disqualify the trial judge in this case was legally insufficient. Judge Lester made the right choice, and so will the appellate judges, C. Alan Lawson, Jay P. Cohen and Kerry I. Evander.
Poor Prince George is not just afraid of a li’l old pea, he’s also afraid of his shadow. Oh, and don’t even get me started on (d)(1) and (d)(2). That’s a whole “nother” bedtime story.
Cross posted at the Daily Kos
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Reader Comments (81)
Dear Dave, or should I say Dear Old Boy? :-)
Although I am not commenting much, this post is so exceptional in its detail and comprehension that I simply want you to know I do keep up with your writings and find this one is clearly covering the actions of the court's pre trial mixture of one obsessed with himself and his needs and that of the justice proceedings as though they should not exist for him. Only special pampering and considerations as he would like them to be. It is as though his attorney is representing a spoiled child and is getting paid by the parents to "get Georgie out of this mess" "he's such a good boy". This is a must read for everyone interested in Justice for Trayvon Martin. It describes the nature of the one that killed an innocent and how unconcerned the act he carried out is not the issue at all to him. Just ME! I want my lollypop! Or else I am going to suck my thumb again.
The real reason I have stopped by is to say that I wish you a most "HAPPY BIRTHDAY" fast approaching tomorrow. You should take the day off after this thoroughly mindful presentation of a personality we may at anytime face in our own walk through life. You write as though it is so easy for you but I suspect you spend long hours in concentration and even while sleeping you have often had sessions in subconscious creativity and laying out the structure of what you write.
Still, 'HAPPY BIRTHDAY'! You will be 60 only once, then it is 61,62,63, 64, 65...........and so on
Kind thoughts, NP
[You can call me anything you want, New Puppy. It's all good.
I'll tell you, it's always a good feeling when I find out my message came across loud and clear. This is what I see in this case, and I do try to look at the abstract and glance into areas that other news sources and blogs may not think of, let alone cover. In my opinion, GZ is nothing more than a spoiled brat who always got his way, exactly as I wrote it. So he throws a huffy fit and the judge, who sees right through his immature antics, must go. Didn't Casey once tell Jose to "make them stop" when Ashton lashed out at her at one of the final hearings? At least she didn't look at herself as a superhero.
Thank you so much for the birthday wish. I would like to take the day off, and I may do that later on, but there are still things to do, and one thing I've learned by now is that they won't get done on their own. It's very rainy today, but I will need to go out later. Besides, I need to think about my next post. Yes, I put a lot of thought into this one, but then again, GZ is a real challenge. A veritable mess of a human being. I could pick on his brain for years to come.
Kind thoughts coming right back at you, my friend!]
One of your finest pieces, I dare say.
[Thank you, Porky3100. I dare you to say it again!]
Great write-up, Dave! The only thing I would change is in calling Georgie, Princess, instead of Prince.
I'm kinda wondering if the desire to have Georgie travel out of Seminole County is to make life a bit easier for O'Mara.
BTW, I hear that 60 is the new 50!
[I thought about that, Sherry, but then I realized it would be an insult to women and I didn't want to go there.
I'm sure this will make it easier for O'Mara, but would they really be foolish enough to meet at his office? I think it lets Z vent a little by getting out and about, but the more out and about he is, the riskier it is. One step at a time, and Z figures he'll have the judge letting him travel to Peru to meet his lawyers. FAT CHANCE.
If 60 is the new 50, does that mean that 20 years is really 10? Does that mean I may live to be 150? Four score and twenty... oh, never mind.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the write-up!]
Brilliant post Dave an many many many happy returns if your avvin a cake with candles .?wOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO TURN OFF THE FIRE ALLARMS.......ps.6 mnths anniverserry off Trayvons Murder.5 mnth since gz arrested.
[Why, thank you, ecossie, for the compliment AND the birthday wish. I'm actually going to eat cake made with real sugar, not the fake stuff. I'm going to savor every bite.
I'll tell you, 6 months goes fast.]
What I love about you, Dave, is that you get it that so much of what GZ says is just _off_; slanted to his agenda of looking innocent/heroic/victimized/cop-like--whatever it is at the moment; whatever it is that he's not. This is a guy whose language use sends up red flags for self-image issues and deceit.* And I'm not just talking about his utterances post-killing. This is enough for me to distrust anything he says--ever. I'm not saying "none of it's true." I'm saying if he were my neighbor I would never believe anything he said without corroboration. (* I'm a writer/substantive editor, so I spend my life analyzing what words mean various contexts.)
[You know, portia, I sensed that right from the start. Black, white, Hispanic or whatever, no idiot gets out of his vehicle and chases after someone with a gun. He knew he had the gun. He knew it, he knew it, he knew it! And he lied about it on Hannity. Oh, he had forgotten he had it. ZIMMERMANURE! Everything he has said and done since the shooting has shown that I was right from the beginning. The guy, in my opinion, is a piece of garbage loser. Nothing he says is relevant to anything other than proving his guilt. This is a guy who's taken lying to a higher level. He passes lie detector tests like cutting through soft butter. Fortunately, people like him still have problems when it comes to telling the truth. It's easier to lie. Truth catches up with them.
Gee... a writer/substantive editor? I'd better keep me on my toes, as the old clichè goes. Thank you.]
Sherry, your comments gave me quite the giggles. Good ones !
Dave, great post. I am wondering if GZ is insisting on O'Mara filing whatever just to keep the case in the public eye to try and get more contributions. Whatever may be the reason, O'Mara is not doing himself any favors. I actually would be embarrassed at this point if I was O'Mara.
Somewhat off subject, I still wonder if O'Mara knew GZ was going to make a public apology to the parents of TM in the April 20th bond hearing when it was stated his client wanted to make statement to the Court.
[Thank you, Newbie. I hope it was worth the wait.
I'm sure money has been a great motivator in all of this self-induced publicity. Money talks, but will he walk? There's a fine line he crossed. He traded potentially damaging evidence for thousands of dollars in donations.
As far as I know, O'Mara was aware of what his client was going to say that day. Most of it. I think they both expected the half-assed apology to do a world of good, but the conflict over Trayvon's age did a lot of damage instead. He's a rotten liar. Period. O'Mara might not have known he was going to add that line of crap.]
Great post Dave.. Stay safe from the storm.
Happy Birthday tomorrow. Hope you have a wonderful one.
By the way, I loved the Prince and the pea theme... :)
[Thank you, Joanna. I really enjoyed writing it, too. The Prince and the Pea theme came later. I never really know what I'm going to write until I put fingers to keyboard. Then, I go to town.
BTW, we are safe here. Wet, but safe. Thank you for your birthday wish. I'm relaxing.]
Loved it!! Prince and the Pea is very appropriate lol. New Puppy, I just loved that "get Georgie out of this mess". That just about says it all, doesn't it?
I don't think George's nose was broken as much as it was just out of joint that someone had the nerve to accuse him of murder. He seems very spoiled and I wouldn't be surprised to hear down the road that he's fired O'Mara and decided to defend himself. You can certainly see his personality more than O'Mara's professional one in these pleadings and writs and requests of his. This past request by O'Mara is a perfect example. It's like he's saying "yes, we know he lied, but he needs back all those freedoms the last bond gave him because he needs to see counsel and he's in danger". It sounds like a kid asking his mom if he can ride down the block on his bike after being grounded, then adding "and can I go to Jimmy's house?" right after she says yes. If Lester lets him go to his lawyer's office, then can he also move out of the county? If that's a yes, then it will be out of the state? And while we're at it, can I have that passport back? There's a stopping point Georgie, and that's Judge Lester. I really liked the prosecution's response. They were very thorough and simple in explanations and reasoning for letting Lester stay.
I'm also shaking my head about this "being in danger" aspect. I have a feeling all these feelings of danger of GZ's goes back to the early days when he was threatened because no one was arresting him. Compare him to the CA case. Now her life was in danger for sure. Every day there was some kind of violence or protest on the news. Not so with this case. It only hits the news waves when something is done in court, or someone gives an interview. We don't have videos of mobs outside his house, we don't have videos of someone threatening him, and I imagine someone out there knows where he is - neighbors would see him moving in for one thing. Not everyone is "after him". I don't know how many of you are old enough to remember Martin Luther King. I am. I was in my late teens, early 20's during all that. There were 2 factions out there essentially - the Black Panthers who at the time wanted black dominance at any cost, and MLK. Eventually, slowly, MLK's calmer attitude drew the most attention and calm heads prevailed. The same train of thought goes here. The calm ones will and seem to be a keeping most of the threats down. At this point I think the danger to him is more in his head and from the press than in any bodily injury.
Happy Birthday youngun. I should have remembered it's the week after mine. I'm exactly 4 years older than you and looking forward to hitting Medicare next year.
[I can tell you, Connie, that the P and the P idea came later in my head, but by the time I started writing, I was trying to incorporate it as an element. It was something I had been tossing around and I really wanted to use it somewhere. This was a perfect fit.
You mention the bike ride as an analogy. Yes, that's very good, but the main problem I have is not just his desire to leave the county to visit his attorney, it's that he used his parents as his excuse when that was not the case at all. Deleterious, my azz. There's no doubt that Z and O'M will take advantage of that, and if Z doesn't continue to get his way, it will further his cause as to why Lester must be removed. It proves his bias! Once again, ZIMMERMANURE!
I believe Z is right in fearing retribution from some sordid elements of the public, but I think he manifests it more in his head. He's turned himself into some sort of celebrity who needs protection, like Kim Kartrashian or someone, like paparazzi following him everywhere. Other than the idiotic edict from the New Black Panther party, which has zero clout, there's been no threats. I absolutely agree with you!
Oh... yes... it is someone's birthday. My sister-in-law called me and lamented about her 60th. Today, she is your age. I guess there's something grandpoppish about turning 60. To me, anyway. Oh well. I'm alive!
Thanks, Connie.]
When Mark O'Mara took this case on, I wonder how familar he was with it before he signed his name on the dotted line. Was it a spur of the moment thing and he felt he was up to any challenge? Early in the game he said that he was in it for a long haul and thus far seems to be a man of his word. He is a defense lawyer trying to defend quite the client. He is trying to make the best lemonade he can but unfortunately all he has is crap apples to work with.
I would love to know what some of you folks would do if you were in Mark's shoes. I do not believe for one minute that O'Mara thinks Zimmerman was justified in taking Trayvon's life. Let's say that Mark seems to be just going thru the motions ( no pun intended) to do the best job he can for his client probably knowing full well that all his effort are probably in vain.
Great post by the way, Dave. It was a very good lesson in being subjective, objective, selective etc and my favorite, 'superfluous fluff' even tho I still can't pronounce it properly. I have become very familar with 'slant' when it comes to the media.
BTW, when Z was on the Hannity show and was addressing America, I do not recall him saying Sabina Fulton and Tracy Martin, I thought he just said the Martins. I stand to be corrected on that one.
[I don't think O'M was at all familiar with the extent of Z's lying and insubordination. He really felt that LE was on his side because he truly believed he was one of them. Right, guys? Nudge, nudge. I think he still doeas to a lesser extent and I think it says something about O'M today that Z has not been heard from since the Hannity interview. De la Rionda scoffed that evidence right up. And donations went down. He lost his luster. Will he get it back? I'm sure there are still some large donors out there.
While I agree that O'M doesn't believe Z was justified, he will still throw all of his support his client's way. No way would he think his efforts are in vain. He's in this to win and he's got a fighting chance to do so. O'M has never lacked confidence, and he oozes it here. He's frustrated - yes - but so was Baez many times and look what happened to him. He never gave up the ship because he never felt it was taking on water. The only losing end I saw with O'M was that he couldn't countrol Z, who decided he had to have his own agenda. He knew what would work. Well, it ain't working, pal! He should have been listening to O'M all along, who always had Z's best interests in mind.
I knew you'd get a kick out of superfluous fluff. It's one of the reasons why I used it. And it's very important to note that plaintiffs and defendants and prosecutors and defendants all have different takes on case law and how laws, in general, can be interpreted and stretched to the limit. The court system is made up of slants. Everywhere, slants. I'm really glad you like the post, too, but you may be a little bit biased. You think?
Oh, yes, Z never mentioned Tracy or Sybrina by name. He apologized to the Martins, which is the same difference. However, you are correct, and I did change the post to reflect that. Thank you for alerting me to it.]
I'll be darned! It is Georgie himself sitting up there on top of all them comfy comforters. You did a sneaky one, Dave. Please don't tell me that I am the only one who missed that little pea head a bobbin up there.
[Yes it is, New Puppy. Prince George sitting upon his throne of mattresses. Sneaky little George up there. Good thing they are fed canned peas in jail. They're not as firm as the fresh ones. That mattress has gotta be uncomfortable, though, compared to what he's used to. Poor baby.]
Marinade Dave, awesome describes your post. I must say you are one fantastic writer. I liked the way you made your post interesting by blending it in with Prince and the Pea. I just hope the prince does not pee the bed. George Zimmerman is a very pampered prince and has all the comforters catering to him especially his attorney.
I heard it is your birthday today in Orlando. If you lived in my state, you would be three hours younger. I hope you will get to enjoy a very happy birthday and thank you for all you do for us.
[Thank you, ChickaDee, although I wouldn't go THAT far. What I need to do is study more fairy tales and try to work them into my articles. After all, Z is (or was) living a fairy tale life. Today, he's living under a bridge, trolling for money. He should count his blessings that he's got such a lawyer.
Yes, it's my birthday. Lucky me. If I lived in your state, I'd be three hours younger, but that also means I'd die three hours earlier. I'll trade the birthday hours for the extra life hours any day of the week. Thank you for the happy wishes.]
Happy Birthday, Dave!
[Thank you, Sherry! Much appreciated.]
Happy,happy birthday! Have a beautiful, blessed day! And many,many more.
You have a great talent Dave and use it well,this is one of your best articles.
I've read what O'Mara has submitted and was actully stunned. To me they seemed to have been written by someone who wasn't to terribly bright. I know he has to try but as you have so clearly pointed out the motions make no sense.
And to me GZ is a liar in the same class as CMA. The mindset of if, I say it,it must be true.
A little tidbit about age. As Maxine would say "When you've seen as many years as I have, losing your memory somehow seems less bad.
[So far, so good, Tommy's Mom, and I don't feel a bit older than I did yesterday. Thank you for your birthday wishes and for your thoughts on this post. One of my best? That's great!
I don't know if this was the best O'M could do or not, but I don't think he had much to go on. Clearly, I don't see bias in the judge and all this comes down to is precisely what I pointed out in the post. Z is a spoiled brat, a weasel, and a flouting lout.
Ol' Maxine is right. I had something else to say about it, but I forgot...]
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(¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Happy Birthday, Dave!
You said: “Why was it necessary to dedicate the brunt of this motion on something that was already covered a month-and-a-half earlier?”
Thank you for bringing that out. So, it turns out this wasn’t the big win for the Defense that the early media reports had indicated. Maybe a new cartoon is in order—one with Mr. O’Mara pulling the ‘strings’ of the media? (Oops, maybe not!)
Anyway, I greatly appreciated your post. Beautifully contemplated and researched, with spectacular artwork included.
Last and least, I’ll include these two links. They are totally old and off topic—indeed, they are about things we should not discuss. However, if you haven’t run across them yet; they are worth reading.
This one is an extremely well written, four page article. The video was added a few days later. If you take the time, I hope you watch the video last.
Now, this one—as well as the comment section--reveals the flip side of the coin.
[WHOA, nan11, I love the graphic. Thank you! I was a graphic artist for years and I can't, for the life of me, figure out how you do that. It really impresses me.
Come to think of it, the news did kinda make a big stink over this "victory," didn't they? Oh, sensationalism! Anything to sell a story, but in actuality, it was no story at all. You're right for pointing it out, too. Let's see... if O'M were the puppetmaster, which media personality would I make his puppet? Hmm... I have quite a few to choose from.
I'm glad you feel that way about my post. Yes, I did put some work into it, but I won't take credit for the art other than to say I took the original character and deleted her hair and other parts, replaced it and added George's head. The image is in the public domain in the United States. I wish I could take credit for the entire art, but instead, I will take it for what I wrote, which is definitely my own.
It's funny you linked to the Atlantic. I just got a subscription to it and that article is in one of the two issues I've recieved. I began reading it online, but I'll finish it in bed, relaxing. It's a great read so far. The other one was an easy read and it's a great comment the writer made, "You lose some weight, get yourself in shape and go join the United States Marine Corps--the best outfit in the world for chasing down bad guys and taking care of business."
Last, but not least, the links are not totally old. They are both timely. The first link, from the Atlantic, is published in the September issue. How old is that? Also, there is nothing off topic here. Everything is relevant, and nothing is outdated. Keep that in mind!
Thank you, again, and just so you know, it's great seeing you. Your help is very much appreciated, and not just by me, I assure you.]
Happy Birthday Dave!
Thanks for the cartoon and the article. You hit the proverbial nails on the head. I suppose the next agenda for donations will be GZ complaining that he has to pay for security to go to O'Mara's office.
[Thank you, Xena!
You know, I actually did think about all the security it will take to safely deliver GZ to his destinations outside of Seminole County, not to mention his safe returns. The Court, in no way, is accountable for what he does outside of jail and when in the courtroom. If he wants to have an entourage of bouncers everywhere he goes, he's got to pay the piper for his desire to be a Ksrtrashian. I hope they break him.]
Hi Dave! I wanted to take a moment to wish you a happy birthday. You're a terrific person and I hope you have a a wonderful day.
[Thank you, Carmen, for taking the time to wish me a happy birthday. You know, you're a terrific person, too, and a wonderful friend. It's great to know you.]
Have a Wonderful Day My Friend~~~Happy Birthday to You!!!
[So far so good, Snoopy. Thank you. Good thing I don't need hearing aids for blogging!]
Mr. Knechel, at first when I see it is your birthday I would wait to say something real clever after everybody else but because I don't know you to well maybe I better just stick to the same way as all youir friends and just say HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. KNECHEL. HAPPEY BIRTHDAY!
I like the picture and sure would like to take a look between each one of them soft comforters to see if he has a lot of money stacked up under them like a great big dollar sandwich. This makes me laugh because he looks like he has been trying to stack his odds and climb as high as he can so the boogie man can't get to him, but I think the judge can climb just about as high as he can. It is a really great writeup today. I like how you spread your stories out and then bring them right back together in perfect order and interesting to read. It can be called remarkable, but you are not a IT. So the best thing I can say is YOU ARE REMARKABLE, in a very good way.
[Trust me, Eyeball, a simple Happy Birthday will do just fine. I'm a simple kind of guy, but not simple-minded, I hope. Thank you for the very nice birthday wish.
I hadn't given it any thought, but you might be right. Perhaps George was hiding money between comforters and blankets. He could hide a lot, obviously, including his passport. Ultimately, I think it's all going to be stacked against him because of his own doing. Any way you look at it, though, he will never be able to reach the judge's bench.
I sure do appreciate your remarkable comment about me. Trust me, I am just an ordinary guy who, every so often, knows how to write. Thank you, in a very good way. You encourage me to write more and more.]
Happy Birthday. Hope the hurricane stayed out of your way
Marsha from NY
[Thank you, Marsha. Yes, the hurricane avoided us. We got strong winds last night and lots of rain today. It's now 6:30 and I'm pretty sure the rain has stopped. Most of it, anyway.]
Happy Birthday, Dave! So much better than the alternatives...
Great post, and glad to see you get it over to the Kos.... it does seem the case that GZ thinks he is some sort of exception.
[Thank you, Karen. YES! It's much better than the alternatives.
Thank you for enjoying the post, too. I could have been published at the Kos months ago. Why I waited, I do not know, but I plan on maintaining a strong presence there. As for GZ, he's an exception, alright. Like a defect.]
Dave, I guess its not the best thing for me to do this here but I just saw a couple small videos at the bottom of the Fredrick Leatherman Blog post that kinda confirms my belief that there could have been somebody with George Limmerman that night and I thought it could be Mr Taaffee but now it is like it might be his wife Shellie. If somebody want to look and give an opinion about these tapes it might be interesting.
[I watched those videos and I do not adhere to the theory that someone else was involved. There are several reasons why. No one from law enforcement has mentioned it. No one from the state attorney's office has, either. Until someone in authority brings the possibility to light, I wash my hands of it. Something else, too. At the time these theorists claim to have seen people and lights and God knows what else, you've got all sorts of cops running around inside that community. Could someone run away and NOT be seen? Could it have been cops or cop cars or emergency vehicles or flashing lights? Could it have been passing cars? GZ's was not the only vehicle going in and out of there. You see, there are just too many possibilities. Someone walking their dog.
Odds are much greater that it's not what the conspiracy theorists are trying to promote. I saw the same thing over and over again during the Casey Anthony case, where imaginations truly went wild. Of course, there are websites that love to promote this sort of thing, so take it for what it's worth. That's my opinion.]
Link, Eyeball? :-)
Sherry, I don't see anything to link on 2 of them but there is one just above by CherokeNative that has https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09A-9p8mrdw I've seen this one before but don't hear what it is talking about. That is my hearing anyway. How do you put in a link? Someone has told me to cut and paste but it is not the easiest so I usually just tell where something is if I see it.
Eyeball, I posted the links, actually thinking I was just posting the links and not embedding the vids. :-)
Some blog sites accept YouTube links as embedding, and others require the use of the embed feature in order for the vid to appear.
If Dave allows it, I can post the links here --- don't want to make a mistake thinking it's links only but results in embedded vids.
Happy Birthday Dave( that is from my mom and me)! You all crack me up, Sherry said 60 is the new 50. Well my Mom had a birthday last week and she still thinks 40 SOMEthing is the new 30. One more thing off topic, I think I like your driver better, lol he throws like a girl with both hands though. Direct contact plus he said he will take Kennseth out every race til the end of the season. He might hold a grudge.
You brought up the National apology, I cannot imagine killing anyone and not feeling bad or sorry for the person I killed. I will explain -some people are just bad but law abiding citizens do not mean to harm someone and if they do I would guess they would be sorry. Mr Zimmerman's apology is to everyone except the victim. I know Trayvon can not hear his apology but he should imo apologize at the very least for taking his life. Trayvon mattered to his family, I think what I am trying to say is he made the mistake yet he still pretends Trayvon was his suspect/thug. The police have already said he did nothing wrong. Shouldn't he say oops, sorry or something for taking Trayvon's life? And not just to the parents of Trayvon, his own family, friends, God and to the director and oh my bad I had Zimmerman giving his acceptance speech at the Oscar's? Hope you get where I am going with this.
[Thank you, Michelle! It seems that we invent new mathematical equations the older we get. If A+B=30 and C=30, what's the answer to A+B+C=__? If you say 60, you're wrong.
Yes, I am a Stewart fan, but he didn't impress me at all the other night.
I think it's really good that you brought up GZ's neglect to apologize to Trayvon. Yes, he is dead, and there's also the possibility he was advised to never mention his name or apologize. That could take away from his defense, perhaps, by admitting guilt, or feelings of. Besides, like you said, the only way he can justify the killing in his head is by continuing to believe he killed a thug. As for an Oscar, yes, he was acting on the Hannity show that night, but if he merits an award, it's for poor acting. His lies aren't sincere enough to believe. Yes, I understood you, and thanks for commenting. It's great to see you.]
Hi Dave, Been reading here since the Anthony trial. Don't always comment, but love your writing, and perspective on the issues! Wanted to take a moment to wish you a
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!
Hope your day is filled with lots of love and fun :)
P.S My hubby will be 60 in Dec and been frettin about it lol
[It is now 9:15 at night, Brandy, and finally... I am responding. Thank you very much for wishing me a happy birthday. It's been very nice, but I'm not much of a party person anymore. Fun to me is no longer like it was when I was 40, which is the new 30, I understand. Tell your husband that I fretted, too. I didn't want to face 60, but now that I'm here, it's no big deal. Nothing to fret over. I partied today just like I did on my 59th. Whoop.
Anyway, It's nice to know you're still reading. I really appreciate your comment. That was very nice of you. Don't be afraid to do it again!]
Thanks, Eyeball, for leaving the link. One of us can make links clickable for everyone if they c&p the url. Here it is but I'm not getting anywhere with it:
YT link
Thank you Dave for your reply about the videos, we can scatter our thoughts when we read too many speculations that have been drummed up maybe from nothing but a shadow. You make real good sence about it and it will keep me more careful about taking in everything I see, could hardly see what they were trying to show anyway. Thank you.
[Yes, Eyeball, it's very easy to do that. It's all in the power of suggestion. Nowhere did I find a person, a flashlight or anything that substantiates what the guy stated. Once again, we're back to the "every piece of garbage in those woods was placed there by Casey" theory. Every light, every shadow and every noise in that community on the night of February 26 is somehow related to Zimmerman. Think about it... are state investigators too stupid to ask Taaffe where he was that night? It takes blog commenters to solve the crime? Tell Angela Corey that. (Bear in mind, I'm not addressing this at you, it's just so easy to fall into these traps because we want to believe Zimmerman is guilty and no one likes his wife or Taaffe, so they are guilty, too.) Where were they that night? Obviously somewhere investigators know.]
Here are links for two short videos by LLMPapa.
Trouble is, it's beginning to look as if everything Zimmerman said was a lie; and I do mean everything.
No one is sure anymore if he even stopped at the club house; or where he was parked.
There is no proof of anything, and he has told so many different stories that it is very possible that none of them are true.
The music is good, though. BB King.
VIDEO | Published on Aug 25, 2012 by LLMPapa | Trayvon's Journey Home, Part 1
VIDEO | Published on Aug 26, 2012 by LLMPapa | Trayvon's Journey Home, Part 2
Dave: I can't take the credit for that little design thingy. I think it is called a 'cool sharp'. I just copy and paste it in--from a link I got from Sherry quite a while ago.
[I had no problem convincing myself that Z is a big fat liar. There's an inherent problem with some of the videos that are making the rounds, though, and this has nothing to do with coming to Z's defense. I will preface this with something about LLMPapa's videos. I like his. No problems there. This other guy I'm not too sure about. Specifically, I'm talking about the video showing that Z couldn't have parked at the clubhouse because no headlights shone through the windows of the building. What proof is that? If I were z and on a mission, I might be inclined to be driving slowly around with my headlights OFF. That's very simple. Not seeing headlights in a window doesn't prove a thing. Even so, I still don't trust Z one bit. did he park there? Dunno, but I can't say he didn't.
That said, Z has told so many stories, it's impossible to believe a word of it, and that's so darn confusing about this mess, and it opens the doors to so much speculation.
Unfortunately, I can't seem to get Part 2 of your video links to work on any of my devices. I am going to reboot this computer in Ubuntu to see if it works there. See you on the other side...
BTW, I'm still very impressed by anyone who can do those videos. Some of them are just incredible. Thanks, nan11.]
[OK, I saw it, and LLMPapa makes sense, once again, and not only that, Z is a lying piece of crap.]
Hi Dave,, Thank you so much for sweet, funny response . I hear ya on the partying thing, Did more than my share of having to much fun back in the day. Oh the memories, Mostly good. lol I deal with chronic back pain, and arthritis , so my idea of fun is being able to accomplish errands , housework and still feel good enough to visit friends or walk my dog. I will be 53 in November and my hubby tells me i am still a kid , of course I say, tell that to my body lol. Will pass on your comment to him.
Have a good nite!
[The pleasure is mine, Brandy. 53 is such a perfect age. Well, so was 43 and 33 and... Oh well. You're hubby is right, though. You are still young. Remind me to tell you the story "My Life's in Jeopardy." I want to post it again. I think you'll understand.
Hey! You have a good night, too.]
One of your top 10 I would have to say. I was struck while reading this. my 17 yr old cocker spaniel got more dignity today as I held her in my arms as the vet helped her to sleep than Trayvon Martin got on that rainy night. THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS-that was not God's plan. God does not plan for your life to end in a rainy, dark night in front of a crazy man with a gun Trayvon should have been laying in his mothers arms trying to soothe him as he passed to the other side. This man sickens me....to not have any regret that he killed this young boy is so telling.
[Thank you, Whistlersmother. I'm sorry you had to put your dog to sleep today. I'm dealing with a pet right now that's 18 and she's not in the best of health. It's never something we like to do and it hurts.
I'll tell you, I have been in the courtroom with George Zimmerman and I can tell you I am not proud to say so. The only time I would be will be the day he is convicted of murder. He treated Trayvon with the utmost disdain.]
One of your finest pieces, I dare say.
[Thank you, Porky3100. I dare you to say it again!]
Never dare a piggy
[Feeling a little high on the hog, are we...?]
Conniefl
Your post up thread was spot on and put forward some really good thoughts. I just wanted to correct one small point though. The Black Panthers also believed in equality but their approach was different than MLK. They say the people involved in non violent protests being beaten, attacked by dogs, lynched and otherwise physically degraded. They then believed that equality could only be changed if Blacks armed as well. In a way, both approaches ultimately lead to change if you think about it.
Well, I guess it's confirmed that Osterman will be on Dr. Phil to defend George.
Video at link:
Orlando Sentinel | Posted by halboedeker | ‘Dr. Phil’ to offer George Zimmerman episode
[I say, more power to them! The more they speak, the more evidence they give the state. I look forward to watching it.]
Thank you for the correction Porky. I was stating it from my aspect I guess. I was raised in a small town in Ohio and was never exposed to violence in any form, so it all hit me at once when I moved to Cincinnati in 1963. I worked at a shopping center in 1966 that was set to "be hit" by riots on a date that happened to be payday for me and I was terrified at just the prospect. Because of this, I just kinda lumped all of the violent ones into the same group, and all the peaceful ones with MLK. Convenient for me, but inaccurate in the long run. I do apologize.
I'm the type of person who walks away from violence of any kind and extreme conflict situations. (loud arguments, etc). I don't see gun violence as a solution to much of anything, but then again I've avoided situations where I would need to use one, or even think of using one. That's why this GZ thing hits home with me also. I look at all those beautiful missing people on the left hand side of this page and I think of them when I think of TM. He didn't even get the advantage of having a family member know he was missing. Like Whistlersmother said above, even her beautiful pet got more consideration. His "punishment" for hitting someone in the nose was death. Not right any way I look a it.
The following is another example of ’Zimmermanure’--imo.
Det. Serino asked George to explain what was going through his [George’s] mind [head] when he was making the non-emergency call on the night Trayvon Martin was shot.
Zimmerman’s response is to tell about another non-emergency call that he had made two or three weeks prior.
I have bolded the parts that really captured my attention. It seems it was during this earlier call that George was asked to give an address.
One other thing—Zimmerman does actually indicate that he knew there was an arrest made in the particular incident he is describing. I believe he is talking about the arrest of Mr. Burgess.
So, he did know about that arrest.
WFTV | Part 1 Audio Interview with Sanford PD on Feb. 29, 2012
At about 4:22 minutes in:
Det. Serino: ... I listened to the phone call that you made to the non-emergency line.
George: Yes.
Det. Serino: Okay. You sound—well, tell me what was going through your head at the time?
George: Two or three weeks prior to that, I had seen somebody looking in the window of the house that he was in front of ...
Det. Serino: Was he white or black?
George: Black.
Det. Serino: Okay.
George: And, the guy that lives there—I know. He is active in the neighborhood watch, and he is Caucasian.
Det. Serino: Right.
George: And the suspicious looking guy went up to the house. I was walking my dog around the neighborhood. And he walked up to the house. And he was smoking. Oh, I’m sorry—he wasn’t smoking at that time. He turned around and he saw me walking my dog: So, he lit a cigarette and he leaned up against the wall—pretending like he lived there.
Det. Serino: Mmhum.
George: So I walked past him, and I called non-emergency. And I got under a street light, and they asked me if I could see where he went; or if he went inside the house. I said: “No.” And they said: “Can you get to where you can see?” I said: “I really don’t want to move from this area.” Oh, and they needed the address. And I don’t know why—my adrenaline was rushing, and a thousand things went through my mind. I gave them what I thought was my address.
Det. Serino: Mmhum.
George: They wrote it down as the 1900 building, instead of the 1400—and when I walked to see the address, I saw the end of the house. And he was at the side of the house looking in the window. He either threw or spit his—he looked at me and threw or spit his cigarette out, and then ran out the back. So, I told non-emergency—I think it was still non-emergency at that time—that, you know, I don’t know where you guys are coming from, but ..
Det. Serino: Mmhum.
George: ...he is around back. And I don’t know where he went. And, I stayed in front of the house where the street light was; and I waited; and I waited; and I waited. Then it hit me. The police came, and drove past me. And then was when it hit me that I gave them what I thought was my address instead of that address. So I called back and I said, you know, the correct address. The police officer came back—I didn’t even see because the house was completely dark?
Det. Serino: Mmhum.
George: The window was opened. So, and the front door was un—the police later told me the front door was unlocked. All his windows were opened in the house. And the front door was unlocked. The garage was opened. So, they went in. They cleared the house. Oh, they asked me for the owner’s name and phone number. And then they asked me for permission to go inside the house. Then, the next week—not at that building, but the next building on the end unit—the guy I saw broke in. Apparently stole a laptop from what I understand. And ran off, but one of the maintenance guys saw him and was able to give the police the direction of where he was going.
Det. Serino: Mmhum.
George: And he was actually arrested. So, when I saw him in the same area—in front of the guy’s house that I know was—he tends to keep it unsecured. And he was looking into the house. I just thought something doesn’t fit right here ...
Det. Serino: But this is the one prior to this one, right?
George: No, no. This is—I’m sorry. That is why I felt this was suspicious.
One last thing—also at about 17:20 minutes in, Georgie describes in his own words the incident that had caused his prior arrest. He states he actually pushed the undercover law enforcement officer up against a wall hard enough that the law enforcement officer’s back was hurt.
This is the incident that required Georgie to complete an ‘anger management’ class before his record could be purged. So, assault a police officer and do an anger management class. Okey dokey.
Then go buy a gun. Just sayin'
(I agree about the Dr. Phil show. I'll most likely watch it, too. Even if it doesn't hurt him, I can't see it helping him.)
[Thanks for this, nan11. You know, it was almost as if he obsessed in all this. I mean, there are the ones that got away, the ones the police caught and arrested, and then there was the big one... The one that Z dreamed about catching on his own, like a hunter goes after his quarry. This was it for him. That night. In the past, he dealt with people who knew how to rob and hide and stealthily move through the night. The ones that always got away from him. This one, Trayvon, was different. He was not a pro at anything other than being a kid. He was no burglar and he didn't know how to move in the night. To Z, this was child's play, and it was. Trayvon had no idea what he was up against and George Zimmerman had no idea how naive his target was. He was easy prey and for once in his life, Z excelled. He won, and it still resonates in his head. Despite all that's gone on since the murder, he just can't let it go. He's savored victory and he will not let anyone like Judge Lester take it away. Lester is the enemy, and like all enemies, there is a battle to fight. It's God's plan.
Right, George?]
Dave that last response is i! That's it ! That was his whole mindset! It was years in the making! Everyone's questions, opinions, experience, and points have demonstrated it.
Street wise (not really) Georgie was gonna be the hero,, savior, and protector of his neighbors and neighborhood.
He is not remorseful because he did the right thing, and it was God's plan.
I believe alot of bad people have done alot of bad things all invoking "God's plan!"
So George how is the fame and notoriety you so desperately sought treating you now?
Maybe just maybe you thought the law enforcement community would finally embrace you now? You got yourself a bad guy, just like we do. Welcome welcome to our little cop club.
Sorry George, doesn't work that way! You can't hero/vigilante your way into the Fraternal Order of Police.
You thought thou got away with it because of no arrest or charges.
Then the shit hit the fan, Uht ohhh! The figured your little web of lies aren't adding up.
Then you thought you hit the jackpot with your little begging website.
Whoo hoo! We're rich," we're gonna have a good life!".
People donated, you felt validated, you did a good thing!
YOU KILLED AND INNOCENT KID, KID! God' plan really?
Then you decided to take your God's plan rhetoric to the air and people know the truth about you!
Donations slow.
Your family is in danger hiding, whatever!
Danger! How about the danger every "suspicious" person who just happened into your neighborhood faced when you were on the prowl.
How many nights did you walk around that neighborhood attitude cocked, and gun locked and loaded?
Reality is starting to set in and your now in a panic, trying to justify your crime.
THIS IS ALL YOUR DOING, GEORGE! YOURS !
You put your family in danger and financial strain!
You committed a crime.
You killed and innocent kid and can not face it and have remorse, you can't even utter his name in you're proclamation of God's plan.
His name was TRAYVON MARTIN and you killed him for no reason!
Fuck you, George
Fuck you
[And you know something, John? It was the short exchange that nan11 posted that gave me pause to consider what was most likely going on in GZ's head all along. He's a damn psycho. Who in their right mind takes Adderall, Temazepam, Mirtazapine, and God knows what else, and trolls around the neighborhood with a gun? Ready, willing and able to use it at a moment's notice? This was one incredibly dangerous man. Thanks for your thoughts.]
Dave~~This is off topic but I am taking the chance of posting it. The people of New Orleans, Louisiana and surrounding areas can use our prayers. There are people stranded, wide spread power outages and floods. Isaac is a Hurricane one and leaving devastation in it's path.
Networks Stay Live With Hurricane Isaac Coverage Into Early Morning
Sorry about the rant it just came out.
[No problem, John. We all need to do that.]
John~~it is best to let it all out. I like to see people say what is on their mind without sugar coating. Good for you !
And it don't even have to be a KID that gets killed one way or another John, it is prevelent in all walks of life if somebody decides to do another person a bad turn, they may be doing it all their life until the worst can happen and somebody gits killed then with a gun. How did he end up with a gun Dave when he is supposed to be on all these drugs. Maybe he isn't on them just says he is. This drug thing can just be a excuse to try and set his alibi that we think he did not know what he was donig. But I betcha he knew what he was going to do when he went after this young man. Most everybody is thinking about what they would like to do to somebody before they do it. It is carring it out that kills somebody. It is to bad we have that in us to do harm but most people at a age of adult like this man is at least take hold and know it is not going to be fun and games anymore. It is meanness at the high level, that is where murdering thinking comes to be. Lets put somebody out of commission, like he did. He figured the KID had no right to live a life, but the bad one always does, I guess. It is my opinion. I guess it is time to put my hoodie on now and go. Thank you
Part One
Dave: This is further to my comment of yesterday.
I went back and tried to find that phone call George was referring to during his interview with Det. Serino.
Really, I don't know if it is me confused; or, if I've got this straight. I think he was coupling two separate phone calls.
I've transcribed them; and, I will link them. (I'm unhappy with the link because my computer doesn't show a 'time' indicator. So, my apologies, but the best I can do is estimate the 'length' for when the call begins.)
About a ¼ from the end of slider (Slider is located right under the map, and to the left of the screen.)
Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. This line is being recorded. This is Rene.
George: Hey. Can I get an officer 1960 Retreat View Circle?
Dispatcher: Your name?
George: George.
Dispatcher: You said 1960?
George: Yes. 1-9-6-0. [Cross talking.]
Dispatcher: What is going on there, George?
George: I’m with the Neighborhood Watch; and, we’ve had some burglaries and vandalisms lately. And, this gentleman was walking in the neighborhood. And, I’ve seen him before--on trash days—going around and picking up trash. I don’t know what his deal is. [Cross talking.]
Dispatcher: Is he white, black or Hispanic?
George: Black.
Dispatcher: What is he wearing?
George: He is wearing—black leather jacket; a black bomber hat. [Cross talking.]
Dispatcher: A black, what kind of hat?
George: Like a bomber hat. Like the ones that have the ears—like, that you can fold down.
Dispatcher: Okay. A black leather jacket. A black hat. And what else?
George: And, like, flannel, printed pajama pants.
Dispatcher: And what is he doing?
George: He keeps going to this guy’s house. I know him—I know the resident. He is Caucasian. And, he is going up to the house; and then going along the side of it, And, then coming to the street; and then going back to the side of it. I don’t know what he is doing. I don’t want to approach him, personally. If you have an officer available, I’d probably have him stop on Rinehart—across the street from Walter Reed’s building; and, go around the back.
Dispatcher: Okay, George. What is your telephone number you can be reached at?
George: (407) 435-2400.
Dispatcher: Okay. So, we’ll get someone out there. Thanks for calling.
George: Good. ‘Bye.
From Page 45 of Phone Call History | Connection: 02/92/2012 20:29:35
This is the call where George gave them the wrong address, and called them back with the correct one. BUT, there is no mention of the garage door being left open--just the strangely dressed guy going 'up' to the house.
(Another thing, I believe Mr. Burgess was wearing shorts when arrested. So, I don't see any reason to believe that this was him that George spotted on Feb. 2/12. I may be missing something, though.)
I'll put the other call in my next comment.
Part 2
About ½ inch in—from the beginning of the slider (Slider is located right under the map, and to the left of the screen.)
Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. This line is being recorded. This is Vicky.
George: Hi, Vicky. My name is George; and, I live at the Retreat at Twin Lakes subdivision?
Dispatcher: Okay.
George: I’m part of the Neighborhood Watch? And I just wanted to let you guys know that somebody left—we’ve had—we’ve been plagued with robberies; burglaries?
Dispatcher: Mmhum.
George: And, somebody did leave their garage door opened?
Dispatcher: Hold on, sir, one second. {Snipped unrelated conversation.} Okay, somebody has got their garage door open, you said?
George: Yes, ma’am.
Dispatcher: Okay. Do you know the address of where the garage door is opened?
George: As far as I can tell—because it is poorly lit—I believe it is 2040 Retreat View Circle. Of course, Sanford, Florida.
Dispatcher: Okay. And then you said there have been a lot of break-ins there, lately?
George: Yes, ma’am. We’ve, actually, just had our Neighborhood Watch meeting yesterday. And Sgt. Kirks came out here; and Officer Buchanan.
Dispatcher: Okay.
George: And told us to report anything suspicious. And since it is late, and they usually don’t have their garage door open all night, so.
Dispatcher: Okay. And, George, what is your last name?
George: Zimmerman.
Dispatcher: And what is the telephone number, in case we need to call you back?
George: (407) 435-2400.
Dispatcher: Okay. Are there any cars in the garage; or the driveway—just so we can make sure we are going to the right...
George: Yep. In the garage, there is a silver Nissan Xterra.
Dispatcher: Okay. We’ve already got an officer heading that way, sir.
George: Thank you, ma’am.
{Snipped final good-byes.}
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Now, this is the phone call where George calls about a garage door being left open. BUT, he makes no mention of a seeing 'suspicious' person.
So, lol, if I'm correct, (and not confused)--I can't decide if he would have deliberately lied to Det. Serino during his interview; or, if Georgie could have been legitimately confused.
Surely, surely, Zimmerman would have realized that law enforcement would check everything he said?
What a POS!
(Just want to add that my heart goes out to all the victims of hurricane Isaac. This seems so trivial in comparison.)
(Oops! Forgot to add: it is the 2nd slider.) First slider contains the NEN call on Feb. 26/12, and all the 911 calls for that evening.
Conniefl
Absolutely no reason whatsoever to apologize. That's the beauty of meaningful respectful dialogue. We can talk about race and educate each other in the process. And if you ever see anything that I write and want to correct me, I in turn will take it as a learning opportunity. All is good.
APPEAL COURT GRANTS ZIMMERMAN NEW JUDGE! 4:50pm.
Dave~~thanks for the info. Don't worry I wont say " I told you so." In all honesty tho, when I read that Order that Judge Lester wrote revoking the bond, I thought "Oh my God." Is it okay if I give my man, O'Mara, kudos? I still want Trayvon to get justice and have not changed my mind on that.
A three-judge panel of that court concluded that Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. in Sanford went too far when he wrote that Zimmerman is a manipulator and made a veiled threat to hold him in contempt of court in the future.
The order was released late Wednesday afternoon. The Office of Florida's Attorney General, which had handled the appeal and asked that Lester stay on the case, issued a short statement, saying it would not appeal further.
Special Prosecutor Angela Corey's office had no comment
Read more here...
Appeal court grants George Zimmerman's request for new judge
Dave~~I haven't read the following yet but here you go...from the appeal court
PETITION FOR WRIT OF PROHIBITION-28 page in pdf
In the Sentinel article it states Judge Debra Nelson is expected to be appointed. In looking for a little information concerning Judge Nelson, I found Shelli Zimmerman case is/was scheduled to go before Judge Nelson. I take it a different Judge will hear Shelli Z's case?