The Heart of the Matter
Wednesday, November 28, 2012 at 2:58PM I don’t think anyone will ever be able to connect the racism dots when it comes to George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin. The really creepy part about the two names is that they will forever be interconnected, like Abraham Lincoln and John Wilkes Booth. While not of the same magnitude as a presidential assassination, a life is still a life is still a life, and none is more valuable than another, whether red, yellow, black, white or any shade in between. We’re not talking red state/blue state; we’re talking about life and death, and it’s not a game.
Let’s take a quick look at the sad case of 45-year-old Michael Dunn. News reports say he “allegedly” fired 8-9 shots into an SUV parked at a convenience store on Friday night. I say there’s nothing alleged about it. He did it. The question is why. He said he didn’t mean to kill anyone. 8 or 9 bullets and he didn’t mean to what? The fact that he fired at all is a tragedy.
From all accounts, Dunn and his girlfriend had just left his son’s wedding reception and stopped at the Gate Food Post convenience store at 8251 Southside Blvd. in Jacksonville on the way back to their hotel room. He pulled up next to the SUV that had music booming LOUDLY. When he got out of his vehicle, he confronted the four occupants and complained. TURN IT DOWN, he screamed. An argument 
ensued and Dunn pulled out his gun. Some of the shots struck and killed 17-year-old high school student Jordan Davis, who was sitting in the backseat. No one in the SUV was armed, according to initial reports. Lt. Rob Schoonover with the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said, “They were listening to a little music. It was loud, they admitted that, but, I mean, that’s not reason for someone to open fire on them.” (See: Many unanswered questions in loud music killing)
I hate to drag Florida through the coals again because shootings happen all over the world. Texas is a great state for shooting from the hip, so we are far from alone. Taken at face value, this seems to be your typical white-on-black shooting, and in some circles, the killer would be considered justified because of two simple “reasons” — the shooter owned his gun legally and the victim was black. Or African-American, if we need to be politically correct. Need more ‘splainin’? Talk to the hand. Yet it seems that the mere fact of being white and owning a gun somehow legitimizes a killing, but only if the victim is of color. God forbid that two white boys with concealed carry permits gun each other down. That would never make the news because there’s no worthy angle, and angles are the nature of news; black/white or white/black. Just like Hispanic/Hispanic doesn’t go far. There’s no racial edge.
We may question the motives of an angry white man leaving his son’s wedding reception where, I’m sure, alcohol flowed freely. We don’t know if Dunn even had a drop to drink, but we do know that a defenseless 17-year-old boy is dead. What sort of threat could any of the young men have been to the gunman? Why, if the shooter was so innocent, did he leave the scene and return to his hotel, only to drive home to Brevard County in the morning, where he was found and arrested? No one EVER shoots up a vehicle and leaves the scene unless they hope there are no witnesses.
Dunn entered a not guilty plea on Monday to charges of second-degree murder and attempted murder. His attorney said he acted responsibly and in self-defense. Shades of stand your ground! I can see it coming! At the precise second Dunn pulled out his gun, he felt threatened.
I feel that people like George Zimmerman and Michael Dunn make a mockery of the stand your ground law, but some dynamics are at work. While its intent may be all well and good, there are idiots who interpret SYG as a license to kill. They take more than the law into their own hands because, in both situations here, the shooter was the instigator, the judge, the jury and the executioner. It seems as if people like them believe they are wearing SYG armor and are impervious to prosecution. It’s called an arrogant sense of entitlement. Go figure.
Mark my words, Dunn’s defense team will subpoena Jordan Davis’s cell phone records. If the boy owned a smart phone, the defense will collect information from it; who he talked to, sent text messages to, and where he visited online. Rest assured, if he listened to Hip Hop music, used Hip Hop text language and visited gangsta sites, like all of today’s youth, he will be painted as a no good degenerate, just like the picture Mark O’Mara will try to portray of Trayvon Martin. It’s called character assassination. This leads me to an obvious segue. Please allow me to ‘splain. Yo, Yo, Yo…
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Word on the street (and in the Orlando Sentinel) is that law enforcement has failed to download all of the data from Trayvon Martin’s cell phone, particularly what’s stored on the chip residing inside the phone. Why? Because the phone is still password protected. Tracy Martin, Trayvon’s father, knows the PIN, but he has yet to turn it over to authorities. There may be a few reasons for withholding that number, too, but what’s important to note first is that the defense does have information regarding the last few calls, according to Mark O’Mara. We’ll get back to that.
The gist of the matter is rather plain and easy to understand, but first the problem about perception. If Tracy Martin is keeping the PIN away from law enforcement, he must be hiding something, right? I mean, what else could the reason be? This would prove the kid was up to no good and deserved to be shot. George’s mission from God that night was to take out a boy who was clearly on a path of evil and destruction. Who knows how many people he would have harmed had he not been stopped right then and there; the night of February 26?
Yeah, right. How delusional.
If the Sanford police came to my door, showed me a photograph of my dead son and said he was killed in self-defense, only to find out later that the circumstances might not have been as law enforcement presented them; that my son was actually the victim instead, would I be inclined to trust them with any evidence at all? Remember, it was the Sanford police that insisted the screams for help came from Zimmerman, and when pumped for an answer to that very question at a most inopportune moment, Tracy said he didn’t think it was Trayvon’s voice. Is it? Is it? Well, is it? The man was in agony and denial at the time. What would anyone expect from a grieving father after recently finding out his son was killed and never coming back?
As time went on, it became apparent to Trayvon’s parents that the police were doing nothing to seek the truth regarding the death of their son. Things had deteriorated to the point that, on March 5, Sgt. Joe Santiago asked Tracy for the PIN, and his response was, at best, less than obligatory. He told the sergeant he’d check with his attorney. Three days later, during a March 8 news conference, Martin told the media he would not help the police because they were of no help to him. “My son left Sanford, Florida, in a body bag while George Zimmerman went to sleep in his own bed.”
What we must remember is that, while the PIN has been elusive, gaining important information from the phone has not. It was eventually sent to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, where crime lab specialist Stephen Brenton was able to analyze the contents of the SIM and SD cards. Without the PIN, the data on the phone’s internal chip remains a mystery, but the two cards were revealing enough. From the Orlando Sentinel:
The information downloaded by Brenton at the FDLE lab “tells me the last few phone calls, but that’s about it,” [Zimmerman defense attorney] O’Mara said. “It looks like there is other information that I should have.”
This leads me right back to the heart of the matter. What difference does it make to anyone about the phone calls, text messages and Website visits Trayvon made days and weeks leading up to his death? O’Mara has records leading up to the shooting. What more does he need? Well, just like what I expect any criminal defense team to do, O’Mara’s goal will be to assassinate the character of Trayvon Martin. To what other end would it serve? That would mean Trayvon would die twice — once in real life and once in the courtroom — and if I were his parents, I’d do nothing to help the defense team. Absolutely nothing. Because everything will be taken out of context in a world where half-full becomes half-empty, and innocent texts between Trayvon and his mother could readily turn into a new and freakier Casey Anthony sideshow; where simple words become innuendo, perversions, and complete distortions of the truth. That would truly be heartbreaking.
Cross posted on the Daily Kos
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Reader Comments (82)
Yes, why is Tracy Martin witholding the pin number? Perhaps because he has a dead child he is now above having to turn over evidence and is obstructing justice, for whatever reasons, and thats ok to some. Hes probably scared to death Trayvon filmed the attack on Zimmerman, lol.
[In the real world, people who obstruct justice are charged with obstruction of justice. Has Tracy Martin been charged with that, Britt? And Trayvon filmed the assault? In the dark? Hmm...]
Hi, Dave -
Yet again FLORIDA!! And how in heaven's name can a gas station fall under the "stand your ground" statute?? I don't even understand how Zimmerman can invoke it for a common area in his condo complex. But a gas station???
I too have been greatly annoyed beyond believe by people who have the music so loud in their cars that I get tachycardia just listenting to it as they pass by. That these kids have ear drums left is a miracle.
I just can't fathom KILLLING someone over loud music! And if he fired off 8-9 shots randomly into a car ....that's like shooting fish in a barrel. You are OBVIOUSLY going to hurt, maim or kill someone.
When is this insanity going to end?? .....And here we are at the beginning of Advent ...the Christmas period ...the birth of the King of Peace! Heaven help and protect us all!
thanks again Dave for all that you do and the forum that you provide,
God bless!
[The insanity will never end, Jnpgh. Murder and senseless killings will go on for eternity. Until we blow each other up. It's in our blood, I guess.
I also think that guy thought he owned the space around him and that included everything within hearing distance. Granted, it was loud, I'm sure, but taking a gun to a loudspeaker fight?
Thank you for coming here and offering up your thoughts. This is precisely what this forum is all about.]
Dave wrote: "It’s called an arrogant sense of entitlement."
Absolutely, and it speaks volumes! What gave Dunn the idea that he had authority to correct an SUV of teens on the volume of the music? What gave him the idea that if he was challenged, he could pull and fire his gun?
To kill and walk away from the scene is like running over an animal and leaving its remains in the road. John Orr stabbed his victim to death, then went home and told his dad. Orr also claimed SYG and was subsequently denied immunity. They didn't care enough to call for medical assistance. The same goes for Zimmerman who told residents not to call 911, that he had already called. Yeah. Sure. The non-emergency number -- not for medical assistance --- not even for his own although he claims being beaten within an inch of his life.
Dave, I couldn't agree more about cell phone records. When Zimmerman killed Trayvon, he knew nothing about him other than his physical appearance. IMO, O'Mara should be examining forensic evidence to build Zimmerman's defense -- not distracting in effort to question whether Trayvon had propensity to violence --- because forensic evidence supports that Trayvon did not touch Zimmerman.
Humiliation of the victim and his family will not be looked upon favorably by a jury, IMO.
[Hi, Xena - I have no idea what month old cell phone records will show other than to paint a picture of a troubled kid, which is darn near impossible. If there are website visits that even appear suspect, he will use them to his advantage, yet they would prove nothing about that night. Just remember what Baez did to George Zimmerman that turned him toxic to that jury. Granted, Trayvon was a kid, but keep in mind that Baez also made his client look nicer than her father.
Keep your fingers crossed. One never knows about a jury, but I think the worst part of this case is the lack of evidence because of the way SPD handled the crime scene and badgered the witnesses.]
Yes, why is Tracy Martin witholding the pin number? Perhaps because he has a dead child he is now above having to turn over evidence and is obstructing justice, for whatever reasons, and thats ok to some. Hes probably scared to death Trayvon filmed the attack on Zimmerman, lol.
Kind of silly Britt. The cell phone was not a weapon in this case, and at the end of the day had nothing to do with why Travon was killed.
Oh man, when I saw that picture you posted I logged right in without even reading the article! That happened right above where I used to live and it's not a very dangerous area to be in. True, Jacksonville has been a pretty dangerous city, but ever since they jailed a bunch in a gang a couple of years ago it's been pretty quiet except in the usual areas around downtown. That idiot said he fired shots to scare them and left because he thought no one was hit and didn't want to deal with the cops without talking to someone first. It's negilgent homicide pure and simple. Thought he saw a gun... there's an old South Park episode these guys remind me of. They're all out hunting and say it's ok if they say "it's coming right for me" first.! The man had to have been drunk or overtired, but definitely stupid! How in the world people can shoot a gun and expect no one to be hit is beyond me! Everything that goes up, comes down folks! One woman was shot here in Jacksonville waiting at a traffic light. The idiot that fired the gun was a block away! He didn't know he'd hit anything, he wasn't aiming at anything! For pete's sake.
here is the article that goes along with that picture btw. Jacksonville Story
This case is completely different from some man out there following and eventually chasing after a kid who was doing nothing but walking home. I don't blame his dad. I wouldn't give the cops his pin either unless forced to. It has no bearing on this case what he did before that night. I imagine the defense attorneys are expecting to find his "accomplice to the breakins" listed on it. He was from Miami for pete's sake. Who is he going to have as an accomplice or even a fence for stolen goods in a strange city.?!!
Neither one was SYG in my opinion. But after the Casey Anthony fiasco, I don't even want to speculate on what a jury would think.
[Boy, Connie, that Dunn dude is bad news. I think he was drunk, too, and acted that way because of it. If he was racially prejudiced, the alcohol made it worse. Now, the guy claims there was a gun. I think these SYG types learn every trick in the book; every possible excuse and angle before they pull the trigger. This guy claims another gun and Zimmerman knew he had the darkness on his side. I need to find out who wrote the manual on getting away with murder this way.]
Oh Dave what a great take on both of these cases. Whenever someone's loud music is not my choice of music I simply blast mine. I have been known to drive with my music quite load,windows are usually closed. I'd love to be able to see the look on face's when they see this old lady rockin' out to James Brown,the Pointer Sister's,CCR,Etta James or maybe Michael McDonald to name a few.
I might be next one to have someone shoot up my CR-V because of my music.
I'm certainly glad to see this guy was arrested. I can't imagine how he can claim self defense after letting loose with that many rounds. Okay he has a right to carry a weapon but why would he attend his son's wedding with a loaded weapon? He claims they had a gun but no gun was found in the SUV,and with other people around and the police arriving I don't see how they could have gotten rid of one. I hope they were tested for GSR. Loud music can be a real pain to some but this was a gas station how long did Dunn plan to be there? A reason to kill and injure kids,no I don't believe it is.
Tracy should do as he pleases with that pin number. He's under no obligation to turn it over unless the defense can get a subpena and if the state hasn't asked for the pin I doubt that will happen.
Keep up the good work Dave it's greatly appreciated by those of us who are reasonable thinking people.
[Fortunately, my windows roll up tight and I can't hear a thang, especially when I've got my own music blaring inside, like David Gilmour's guitar riffs. Something tells me this guy, Dunn, has had problems with his temper before. This cannot be the first time he's blown his top, but I would very much venture a guess that he's a racist. He could have just done the same thing we would have done, and ignored it. I hope his life is ruined for good.
As for Tracy, yes, he is under no court order. At this point, he is free to handle it any way he wants. My guess is that Bernie de la Rionda has not pressed for it. The old content is worth nothing and the defense will just try to make something out of nothing. O'Mara is fishing and he's the real shark.
Thank you, Tommy's Mom. I'm thankful you appreciate it. Yes, we are reasonable thinking people. I hope it stays that way throughout this mess.]
There is obviously something to hide on the phone otherwise Tracy should not have an issue, but just like in the Anthony case, if one becomes the relative of someone who died they get to obstruct justice, and thats exactly what is happening with the phone. Tracy knows his son and is probably well aware of how damaging the contents are, hence the aloofness. What else could it be? They fought hard to hide his stellar school records.
[Again, Britt, where is the obstruction of justice charge? You can't say that until after someone is charged because you are not authorized by the court to say that.]
Britt were you referring to George's stellar school records? If not at 28 his grades are pretty embarassing. Whether you like it or not Trayvon on February 26th was a minor. His Mother and Father get to decide for him. I wonder if you would fight for your child's rights? Somehow I doubt you would. JMO from your very own comments.
Dave: It’s so nice to see you post a new article—and a terrific one! : - )
How sobering it was to hear about another 17 year old killed by an adult who intends to use the stand-your-ground law as his defense.
Now that I understand it better, I have actually come to respect that law. I don’t believe its intent is to give a license to kill. Folks don’t seem to understand that you have to be in ‘reasonable fear ‘ for your life.
From the little bit I read on Jordan’s killing, it seems that Mr. Dunn’s anger was way out of control. Probably the only time he felt a little fear was when the police were knocking on his door. Well that is my opinion, anyway.
This probably won’t surprise you, but I don’t place too much store on the accuracy of that article in the Sentinel concerning Trayvon’s cell phone.
If O’Mara wants the info it contains, why doesn’t he go through the proper channels to obtain it? Why have the Sentinel plead his case to the public first?
I’m sure you have read the following, but it’s interesting to read it again given the recent questions some of us are having with a few of Serino’s statements:
[Thank you, nan11. I'm very happy you like this article. It's been awhile since I wrote anything.
I know I can't verify this personally, but with the Dunn case, I have a strong feeling that he has always been a racist. I also feel he's lying about the amount of alcohol he consumed and was more afraid of getting arrested for drunk driving that night than he cared about killing any "n*gger boys" as he probably called them. Sadly, with people like him, the more he drinks, the more violent and outspoken he becomes over his hatred for African-Americans. Like immerman, he never should have gotten out of his vehicle. Period.
Now, he claims the boys had a shotgun. This guy is smart. He will now appeal to the same class of people who believe every word that comes out of Zimmerman's mouth. No weapon was found, but they will take Dunn's word for it at face value. That would be white-face.
As for Trayvon's phone, there is nothing good to be gained. I'm going to go more in-depth on this in another article, and it will cover Trayvon's school records, too, along with other thoughts, so I won't delve too deeply in my answers here.
Thanks for straightening me out on the statement made by Tracy. I changed the wording in the post to reflect that. I do want to be factual in everything I write and I sure do appreciate it when you come along to help me make those adjustments.]
Michelle, I dont get your personal attack about my children. I am interested in this case and if my child ended up dead and the cops wanted access to his phone, I would complete their request because I would want to know everything that was going on up to that very second. Is that not reasonable to you?
It looks like George is intending to manage/hide his 'fund' again, (or, excuse me, have someone he chooses to do it for him.) Hmm, what could be behind this? Trouble in paradise?
The Miami Herald | November 28, 2012 | By Frances Robles George Zimmerman to sell autographs to pay expenses
Sub-Heading: Trayvon Martin’s killer is kicking off a new fund-raising drive that will involve signed thank-you cards.
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With his legal defense fund teetering at less than $15,000, accused murderer George Zimmerman announced a new strategy to drum up donations: signed thank-you cards.
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Orlando Sentinel | November 28, 2012 | By Stutzman and Weiner | George Zimmerman to ramp up fund-raising
Sub-Heading: Donors have contributed an estimated $340,000.
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Murder suspect George Zimmerman today announced plans to ramp up fund-raising, writing on a website that if you act now, he’ll send you a thank you card “personally signed by George.”
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On 28 November 2012 | The New George Zimmerman Defense FundQuote:
The original fund was formed by George Zimmerman himself—before his arrest, in the initial days of the media frenzy started by Ben Crump, Natalie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the PR firm hired to fan the flames, Julison Communications . . . {snipped}
[I'm going to dig into this one.]
@Britt: Speaking for myself—why, yes, if my child ended up dead and the cops wanted access to his phone, I would complete their request because I would want to know everything that was going on up to that very second. Indeed, under most circumstances, that would be very reasonable.
However, if someone shot my child dead and the cops told witnesses that the person who had shot my child dead had screamed for help and I knew it was my child screaming for help, I might think differently.
If someone shot my child dead and I had to hire my own lawyer to get the cops to even contemplate arresting the person who had shot my child dead, I might think differently.
If someone shot my child dead and the cops waited 44 days before arresting the person who had shot my child dead, I might think differently.
If someone shot my child dead and I had to watch while every attempt was made to sully my child's reputation as a means to defend the person who had shot my child dead, I might think differently.
Just sayin’. Not attacking. : - )
Not to mention the fact that the father of this dead teenager was told that the killer was "squeaky clean." Yep, that turned out to be so true now didn't it?
[Squeaky clean? Yeah, more lies from Zimmerman. He lied to the cops and jailers about his record. I cannot stand a liar!]
Dave, I am so glad you have approached and posted on this subject. The way you represent the truth in it's unspoken fact of life. Fear and intimidation from having experienced being held responsible for the other persons acts of aggression has been rampant for too long. With all the legalities of today, people are lost and can barely interpret or understand all the fine twists inserted to release the guilty one and make what they did, another person's fault when clearly it not always is. I admire Trayvon's parents for holding tight and not giving in to bullying accusations. They are the ones who will forever bear the pain. They deserve every right to carry out their respect for the life of Trayvon. They have chosen to do so in a most admired, fair and dignified way. Out of nowhere their emotions were shocked by an unacceptable reality in being told their son had been killed. What was the purpose in informing these parents at that moment that the aggressor had acted in self-defense. Was that saying to them, don't bother making anything more of it because it won't do you any good. My God! How unfeeling and premeditating in thought to immediately insult the intelligence of Trayvon's parents.
Clearly you have given a great amount of deep thought and consideration in a post that illustrates a calm approach yet strikes at the very core of how we tend to live a shadowed life of uncertainties and acceptance most of the time.
[Why, thank you, New Puppy. Unfortunately, in some cases, guilty people are set free because of the tactics of defense attorneys. However, it is their job to exonerate their clients. Some take it further than they should. We saw that with Jose Baez placing the blame on George Anthony. It was so far from the truth, yet he got away with it woithout presenting an ounce of evidence. I guess it's OK to call someone a child molester these days? With nothing to back the claim up? Yes, if you are an attorney. What I'm slowly seeing here, in Trayvon's case, is a defense attorney with a forked tongue. He speaks so eloquently about how he respects the boy and his family and how much he wants to honor the victim while, at the same time, he intends to stab the boy in his back as he lies in his grave. There is nothing dignified about that. The most deplorable part about it is the fact that Trayvon cannot take the stand and defend his character as it's assassinated on live TV.
With the defense and Zimmerman signing autographs for money, this has stooped to a low, low level, and my respect for O'Mara went down, down, down. I will have more to say on this subject, so in the meantime, let me say it's always nice to see you.]
IMO, if any one of my relatives were killed, and the killer was not arrested, but the police ask me to provide them with private information so they can access my relative's cell phone, I would tell them a fast route to take to hell and what they can kiss on their way there.
It's the killer who should be investigated -- not the victim. After charging the killer, my relative's private information is still private. If O'Mara wants it, let him take the matter to court and let the judge decide.
[I think Porky3100's analogy (below) said it best. It's the same thing that's gone on in courthouses for a long time. A rapist is set free because of the victim's alleged past. No need to prove anything; just suggest her character is questionable. It's a strange world we live in.]
Great post Dave. Haven't kids always played their music loud? I remember when rock & roll was played loud and considered devil worshiping music. lol. As for the pin on Trayvon's phone, I don't blame him for not giving it to them. I would make them search really hard, to find nothing. I believe they are grasping with that one.
[I used to play my 8-track tapes really, really loud. Get the Led out. Who? Guess Who? Yes. Pink Floyd, too. Lots of stuff, and I never once thought about getting shot over listening to that GD Hippy music.
While the police would like to have Trayvon's cell phone PIN, it is not an absolute necessity or a court order would have been issued by now. The defense wants it. I would do nothing for George Zimmerman. NOTHING.]
Dave: This is a moving article by Michael Skolnik. I hope you don't mind my linking it.
Global Grind | Turn The Music Up For Jordan Davis by Michael Skolnik
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"Turn the music up. Turn the lights down. I'm in my zone. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. Pop. 8 shots. Maybe 9 shots. The police still don't know how many shots the white man fired. Thank God for granting me this moment of clarity. This moment of honesty. The world will feel my truths. From my Blueprint beginnings. To that Black Album ending. Listen close, you'll hear what I'm about. But a 17-year-old young black man has been shot and he ain't gonna make it much longer, so I'll write fast."
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I don't think there is anything new here, but a couple of things stood out for me. Apparently, Dunn's lawyer is questioning how hard law enforcement looked for the 'shotgun' that her client said the kids had. Also, Dunn is saying that he had one drink at his son's wedding reception, and 'a glass of Champagne before he left.'
Edited to add: The amount Dunn is stating that he had to drink appears to be convenient, imo. Afterall, perhaps that is why he waited until the next morning.
New York Times | Another Shooting May Test Florida Law
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"In what could become another test of Florida’s broad self-defense law, a software developer charged with killing a Jacksonville teenager said he reached for his gun and fired eight rounds only after he was threatened with a shotgun."
Thanks for the article Dave. You wrote: "Shades of stand your ground! I can see it coming! At the precise second Dunn pulled out his gun, he felt threatened."
His attorney, Robin Lemonidis, did a call-in to the JVM show last night and pretty much put the basic defense out there.
Here are a couple of her quotes from the transcript:
"He is the type of person who, when he does anything, he wants to do it well. Therefore, he practices shooting. He practices with military, ex- military, law enforcement, et cetera, and is a member of the lodges of gun and pistol, rifle and pistol -- the Port Malvern (ph) Rifle and Pistol Range here."
Note that she mentions, among other things, that he practices with LE. Shades of GZ and the LE connection.
" Because he is very skittish and untrusting of the police and the way that police have been known to twist and trap -- twist words and trap people that are not accustomed to being interviewed by police or interviewed by anyone, for that matter."
Yet he practices with LE?
" "Kill that mother (EXPLETIVE DELETED), that mother (EXPLETIVE DELETED) dead, you dead (EXPLETIVE DELETED)." And he sees that much of a shotgun coming up over the rim of the SUV, which is up higher than his Jetta. And all he sees are the heavily tinted front windows that are up and the back windows that are down, and the car has at least four black men in it."
LE found no weapons and, as Tommy's Mom said.
That reminds me of how GZ thought Trayvon was armed and loaded with Arizona Tea and a cell phone, looking around and generally being up to no good.
Indeed, there are some remarkable similarities between the cases.
Link to the transcript of the interview with Dunn's attorney. It's a very interesting interview.
Teen Gunned Down by Man Who Felt Threatened
[I think it's standard procedure now to cry self-defense, then stand your ground, seconds after the final shot is fired. It's as if these guys rehearse it over and over again.
It is quite interesting that both of these nutjobs considered themselves in tight with law enforcement, yet very critical at the same time. Zimmerman even had the audacity to criticize, then give his stamp of approval, as if it was worth anything.
Now, we come down to a similar excuse. Both Zimmerman and Dunn claim the victim confronted them with threats of certain and immediate death. Fortunately, in Dunn's case, there are three living witnesses who will call him out on any claim of self-defense; that there was no weapon and no life or death threats ever came out of their mouths. They will probably testify that the idiot appeared intoxicated, too. I cannot see this one passing the SYG defense, in which case, his attorny may claim temporary insanity or something, which won't work, either. No, I'm afraid Mr. Dunn will go away for life on this one, and I'll bet the farm his girlfriend will turn against him to save her own butt. She will testify for the state.
Thanks for providing the transcript. I read the whole thing and it was rather enlightening. If those boys merely rode around the block to get away, there was no place to hide a shotgun, so if they had one, it would have been found by now. Dunn is done because there will be no gun.
Great to see you, ritanita.]
I just don't believe Tracy Martin should be held to a higher standard than anyone else. The content on Trayvons phone is important, especially when a gal is claiming she was talking to him and he was scared his last moments on earth. I am starting to wonder if this goes to trial if the girls testimony will even be allowed. I tend to think Trayvons phone held explicit content of SOME nature that obviously is not going to portray him in a positive light. That has to be the reason the father wont give up the pin number and we know Trayvons family has been very against exposing anything about his life on earth. We know he majored in cheerfulness and loved to eat. There has to be more to a well rounded 17 year old.
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@ Britt: IMO, you are thinking what O’Mara desires everyone to think, and you are spreading the word that O’Mara wants advanced.
Among other things, Trayvon’s phone could contain the contact information of his friends that would enable the defense to send their private investigators out to snoop about—in the lives of minor’s.
Never-the-less, if the law allows it, what is holding the defense up? Why have they resorted to having the Sentinel run an article on their behalf? Is this another flash in the pan—for example, Zimmerman and family were going to sue NBC but we are still awaiting the filing of the lawsuit.
Perhaps this is something O’Mara is doing so he can have the Sentinel claim another ‘big victory’ on behalf of the defense if the judge rules to allow them to view the contents of the cell phone—even though she would have, had he not made it an issue in the media first?
Trayvon had only been seventeen for twenty-one days—that is a little young to write your memoir and extol your accomplishments.
[Sorry, Nan, I didn't scroll down and see you added ritanita's link.]
Ritanita/nan thanks for the link. That lady lawyer didn't sound very bright. JMHO of coure. With the exception of Dunn,his girlfriend and the wedding guests no one knows if he had more than a "sip" of champagne.
Questions:
Do I deserve to be shot and killed because I sometimes blast my music? What would my internet searches,my facebook page,my school records or my email have to do with how I play my music or if I'm armed with a cold drink and some candy.
My computer would show I have approximately 26 translations of the Book,several Bible dictionaries and commentaries,I often search sites about different believes. Does that make me a religious zealot,when in fact I was teaching a ladies Bible class before I became ill? Maybe that whole class of ladies,most who are well past 50 are all gun toting and just waiting to use the SYG in defense of our music likes or our need for a candy fix on a cold dark night,looking around a strange neighborhood because we do sometiimes get turned around or even lost.
News flash I'll be 75 in February,if my God wills it. I sometimes play my music to loud and I own and wear THREE hoodies,two light gray and one black. I'm also white and a Republican.
Bottom line what in anyone's background and being unarmed gives any person the right to kill you?
If in fact he was in fear of harm and felt he was right in firing his weapon why didn't he report the use of that weapon? He hung out with people in LE and knew if he fired his weapon after had been drinking he was really in trouble. He didn't think anyone in the SUV was hurt? REALLY? He dicharged his weapon CALL 911. Oh right he didn't trust LE people he went out with to practice firing that weapon. Anyone who understands statement analysis will tell you it very difficult to lie when asked a direct question. The person being questioned will use any and all means to avoid answering truthfully. www.statement-analysis.blogspot.com is a safe and interesting site to learn about liars.
BTW permit or not it is against the law in Florida to discharge a weapon in a public place if you've been drinking.
[If there's any justice in the world, I guarantee this Dunn dude is not going to be found not guilty. This should be a cakewalk for the prosecution. As for drinking in public? By the next day, there's no proof the guy had been drinking. The bst proof against him is that there was never a weapon in the victims' SUV.]
Sorry, that really was a long post. I'm going to the kitchen now,need to start preparing my 13 bean soup
[Could you send me a bowl, Tommy's Mom?]
Britt I did not attack anyone. I clearly stated the lack of respect you show a dead teenage child makes me wonder if you would support your child's killer or your child and you answered my question. You would handed over everything the police asked for. I believe most parents would protect the interest of their child. Or at least that is how it works at my house.
Funny you thought that I made a personal attack against your children. You do it all day long to the Martin's child and it appears you do not even bat an eye in doing so. jmo
Dave this is another great post! Thanks for taking the time to write about Jordan Davis.
Oh, this is funny. O’Mara must be a bit dry mouthed over the fact that he can’t control how Frances Robles chooses to title her articles.
GZ Legal Case | November 29, 2012 | Regarding The New George Zimmerman Defense Fund And Thank You Cards
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The Miami Herald used the headline “George Zimmerman to sell autographs to pay expenses,” to describe the policy of the New George Zimmerman Defense Fund of sending signed Thank You Cards to individuals who donate.
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This is the latest from the defense friendly Sentinel. O’Mara finally got around to requesting that the judge sign the order for Trayvon’s school records. He is a bit slow, isn’t he? If he intends to have some kind of immunity hearing in April, 2013; he might be advised to get the lead out.
Orlando Sentinel | November 29, 2012 | Judge signs order authorizing subpoenas for Trayvon Martin’s school records
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The judge in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case on Wednesday signed an order authorizing subpoenas for Trayvon Martin’s school records, something his family and prosecutors had fought to stop.
(Edited to add: Nice to hear from you, Dave.)
[Nice to hear from you, too, nan11, and those links are helpful.]
ABC | November 29, 2012 | George Zimmerman's Website Suggests 'Profiteering' by Lawyers for Trayvon Martin's Family
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"George Zimmerman is innocent and should never have been charged, and there is nothing inappropriate about raising money to fund the defense of an innocent man," the statement said.
Well, I guess all who hang out on the blogs are used to such insinuations by the defense; however, since ABC has brought it up--I hope Mr. Crump resonds to O'Mara attack.
Shouldn't it up to a judge and/or jury to decide Zimmerman's guilt, (or lack thereof?)
The above quote is strong language coming from a defense atty, no? imo
Dave: Sorry to be back so soon. These links won't stop coming tonight. Of course, I have to drop everything and give them my undivided attention. : - )
This article is really good. Finally, I get the 'horror' of the SYG law.
The Root | Stand Your Ground' Should Be Repealed
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A racial impact also comes into play in how the law is enforced. According to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, which launched an investigation into "Stand your ground" laws earlier this year, reports of justifiable homicides have nearly doubled from 2005 to 2011 in states where the legislation passed. While white killers of black victims comprise only 3.1 percent of all homicides, these cross-racial killings constitute 15.6 percent of justifiable homicides.
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Surely, surely Shel lie's purgery charges will not be thrown out on a 'technicality'. Say it ain't so, please.
Orlando Sentinel | Shellie Zimmerman asks judge to throw out perjury charge
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An attorney for Shellie Zimmerman today asked a judge to throw out the perjury charge against her, saying that Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, based in Jacksonville, has no jurisdiction in the case.
Dear Dave, I've not followed the Trayvon Martins case much at all. I've been so wrapped up in politics and some health issues. I don't live in Florida but I'm a concerned parent/citizen. I'm for concealed carry but to be used responsibly.
[Well, hello there, Gerri! Great to see you. I think most of us have been wrapped up in politics, and for better or for worse, at least the election is behind us. As to your health, I hope and pray you are getting better.
I appreciate your opinion regarding concealed carry. I have no problem with the law, but I do take issue with those who are not responsible. That makes sense no matter where one lives. Thank you for your opinion. It is always welcome.]
I just don't believe Tracy Martin should be held to a higher standard than anyone else. The content on Trayvons phone is important, especially when a gal is claiming she was talking to him and he was scared his last moments on earth. I am starting to wonder if this goes to trial if the girls testimony will even be allowed. I tend to think Trayvons phone held explicit content of SOME nature that obviously is not going to portray him in a positive light. That has to be the reason the father wont give up the pin number and we know Trayvons family has been very against exposing anything about his life on earth. We know he majored in cheerfulness and loved to eat. There has to be more to a well rounded 17 year old.
Brtt
Your post is self contradictory. " The content on Trayvons phone is important, especially when a gal is claiming she was talking to him and he was scared his last moments on earth"
If the issue is to establish whether the girl was on the phone, the chip can't do that. One can easily make that determination by accessing the phone records no?
But how about this for an analogy. Suppose someone rapes a loved one of yours, but the cops fail to arrest them but show up at your door asking for their diary. What would you think?
This is irritating. What could they want with TM's phone? They want evidence of burglaries committed, or connections to anyone detained or arrested for burglaries in that particular area of course. What they will probably find is the contact he used for the "residue of weed" found in him and in his backpack from school. If he was involved anywhere it would have been Miami. He didn't know anyone in Orlando.
I thought Nan's quote was interesting. I was just saying something similar to my daughter just this evening. :
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A racial impact also comes into play in how the law is enforced. According to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, which launched an investigation into "Stand your ground" laws earlier this year, reports of justifiable homicides have nearly doubled from 2005 to 2011 in states where the legislation passed. While white killers of black victims comprise only 3.1 percent of all homicides, these cross-racial killings constitute 15.6 percent of justifiable homicides.
So shooting a unarmed teen or any person for that matter is a reason to sell autographs? What a great way to make money, I mean why get a job if all you have to do is sign your name? I have never shot and killed anyone BUT someone has told me my whole life that I am amazing and that I can do whatever I set out to do if I just try. Do you all want to buy my autograph?
That is so stupid! Not only is Mr Zimmerman a danger to anyone walking at dark in a Hoodie this nut is a danger to himself. He should not be allowed to think for himself. jmo
I just read the transcript from last night's JVM. It seems the attorney has a different last name, for those following the case.
She's now on to an obvious SYG defense. Dunn said it was a shotgun he saw peeking out of the red SUV. That's not going to be easy to hide, aside from the fact that one was dead and at least one other injured. How far could these frightened teens go? Oops, Dunn said that they were black men.
"MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE: And who knows really depending on how quickly law enforcement came. Unlike what Natalie Jackson said, there is character assassination on both sides. And so that`s the name of the game. And it is all going to be about credibility. But these cases are about case by case basis as to what the individual thought and whether they reasonably felt that they were in danger and that`s why they had to use deadly force. But these cases are different."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/29/ijvm.01.html
Nan 11, thank you for being my link-master! Back in the day, I used a lot of it. I just took a refresher course!
Dave, as for your response to my very first comment, I can film on my phone in the dark, this isnt 1990. And was Cindy Anthony ever arrested for Obstruction? We all know she did it,but was she charged? Why is it truly ok for Trayvons father to withold anything? He was said to have been on the phone at the time of death, why would anyone think it does not need to be analyzed?
[So, Britt... what you are saying is that, while we can't see in the dark, our cell phones can. You sure are brilliant. Send me a video of the night and I'll post it for you. You are way off base here going into tangents that have zero credibility. To heck with the notion of a cell phone video. No one's buying into it.
While we're at it, why don't you issue a citizen's arrest and court order for the PIN since the REAL court has failed you. Write them a letter. Go ahead, I dare you.]
Britt. Did you forget me? I believe that my question is very relevant to your argument of the usefulness of the phone. Kindly respond to the following question that I will ask you again.
But how about this for an analogy. Suppose someone rapes a loved one of yours, but the cops fail to arrest them but show up at your door asking for their diary. What would you think?
Another point Britt. Your comparison to Cindy Anthony and attendant argument regarding obstruction of justice is -grossly- flawed. Cindy''s daughter was the DEFENDANT in a criminal case. Thus, to mislead, lie, or otherwise impede a murder investigation pertaining to the DEFENDANT, could be construed as obstruction.
Tracy Martin on the other hand is the relative of s VICTIM of a crime and as such, -personal- information on the VICTIM are far less relevant ( if relevant at all) to the investigation into the actions of the defendant. Can you see this distinction?
Kindly answer all of my questions please.
Britt since this is not 1990 why did Mr Zimmerman not video his suspect? Trayvon tried to get away from Mr Zimmerman. In Mr Zimmerman's own words he ran! Or later his own words skipped away. As far as Mr Martin and his deceased son's password why he should he hand over anything? LE has already said Trayvon did nothing wrong that night? What am I missing?
Yes Dave, this latest "celebrity autographing" is beyond the lowest of the low.. a blasphemous insult to young Trayvon Martin and his family. It is asking people to show George Zimmerman respect for the murder of a young black male, some will do just that! Does anyone know if O'Mara has body guards as he is out and about?
[It disgusts me to no end, New Puppy, but I hope no one threatens anyone's life over it. I will cover it in a new post - what I think about the stupid, insensitive idea.]
No way will it be known but I sure would like to know if Dunn would have pulled the trigger if there had been a car with young white males playing music as opposed to there being young black males. My bet is that he would not have, no matter how liquored or what his disturbance was at the time.
[If they were white kids, he may have complained, but I seriously doubt he would have shot up their vehicle. Was this playing the race car, so to speak?]
Dave: A couple of older links here concerning Jordan's case.
You know, I think Dunn fired those eight or nine shots from inside his own vehicle. I assume he had the window down. Listen to the video at about 1:12 minutes in. It's Jordan's mom being interviewed.
MSNBC News | & VIDEO | By Elizabeth Chuck | Florida man pleads not guilty to shooting teen to death over loud music
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Also, Dunn has an interesting 'record.' Things like this can point to a disrespect for authority. I realize he wasn't charged, and that he said it was a 'mistake'. Still, just sayin'
First Coast News | By Jeff Marcu| Jacksonville gas station shooting suspect had encounter at Kennedy Space Center
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"He was on his way to Jacksonville back in 2007 when he told investigators he accidentally veered into restricted air space at the Kennedy Space Center.
That brought out federal investigators, and bomb sniffing dogs, who thought the wayward plan might have been an act of terrorism. They decided it was not, and First Coast News has learned that they did not charge Dunn."
[Initially, I wasn't aware he fired the shots from inside his Volkswagen, but that makes it even worse. He had to look up to see the SUV's windows, and unless the gun was sticking out, I find it hard to believe it was there. I find it hard to believe anyway, since no weapon was found in the vehicle or the immediate vicinity. I'm glad you brought that to everyone's attention.
As for his 'record,' I remember that particular NASA incident, but only because of the video footage. He's far from being alone for flying into restricted airspace and he lives just down the coast, in Satellite Beach, south of Cocoa Beach. In all instances to date, they have been accidental flyovers and no charges have been filed that I'm aware of. In his case, he's probably flown that route 100s of times, so, should he have known better? Yes, of course, but it's not as unusual as it seems. Most of those people have been local residents hugging the coastline, and it's not strange to hear of such incidents around here.]
George of the two sided mouth. One side says he doesn't feel safe and can't leave his home due to all the publicity. The other side is now offering autographs. I hate to tell whoever pays for one it won't be worth dip squat after the trial. To me it smacks of pride in the fact he killed a teenager walking home from the store. Disgusting.
[Poor, poor, pitiful George. All that free money and nowhere to go. Taking care of his luxurious living before paying his lawyers. Tsk, tsk. Two-sided is an understatement. He claims to be depressed because he can't leave his house much and, therefore, can't wait to get this over with, yet he will appeal the immunity decision if the judge denies his request. That will postpone his trial, I'm sure, and poor, poor George will remain in his house, suffering and suffering and suffering; eating rich and fattening food. Poor thing.]
So, it begins.
Global Grind | by Selena Hill | Don't Throw Dirt On Jordan! Media Exposes Jordan Davis' Friend's Criminal Past (DETAILS)
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"Jordan was in the car with three other teens, one whom was on probation for committing a burglary in 2011. Tommie Stornes, 19, pleaded guilty to three counts of burglary after he was caught and arrested for loading a speaker box and two subwoofers into a Dodge Durango, according to police."
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This is a nice touch. I might get pulled over by the local police if I drive about with my music blaring at 5 pm, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be shot. Well, hopefully. (Probably cursed at, though.)
Global Grind | by Selena Hill | Honor Jordan! Turn Up Your Radio Today At 5pm For Jordan Davis! (DETAILS)
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In honor of Jordan's life, a national movement has started online asking people to blast their radios today at 5pm. Supporters have been spreading the word about the movement via Twitter.
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This article gives Florida a little break, Dave. Its statistics are more far reaching, and still may only offer a 'glimpse' at the problem.
I have to say, as I dust off my shovel, Florida still looks like paradise to me--gun toting folks and all.
I hope they at least look at the problem, though.
Huffington Post | by Josh Sugarmann | Florida Teen Jordan Davis One of at Least 32 Youth Killed by Concealed Carry Killers
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"In total, since May 2007, at least 499 victims in 32 states have died in incidents not ruled self-defense involving private citizens legally allowed to carry concealed handguns, according to the November update of the Violence Policy Center's (VPC) Concealed Carry Killers online resource."
[I was denied a concealed carry permit to keep a comb in my pocket... But seriously, I think most gun owners are responsible. What's that saying about 10%?]
Dave said: Initially, I wasn't aware he fired the shots from inside his Volkswagen, but that makes it even worse.
I'm really not sure which one is correct, but I agree that if he did fire at those kids from inside his vehicle it makes what he did much, much worse.
I mean, a vehicle would give some protection; and if he had time to reach into his glove compartment and get his gun--he could have backed up and got away. (If the kids even had a shotgun--which I do doubt.)
I think the SYG law says you should exhaust every reasonable avenue of escape, and only then should you revert to using your weapon.
And:
Dave said: Most of those people have been local residents hugging the coastline, and it's not strange to hear of such incidents around here.
Oh, okay. I understand better, now. : - )
I thought flying over 'restricted' air space was a very big deal. (I most certaintly would not want to do it--but I'm a chicken.)
That makes sense, though. It would be hard to know exactly where the boudaries are when you are in the air. (As you can probably tell, I don't fly much.)
I have to say, though--the law had more patience and gave Dunn a much bigger benefit of doubt than he gave gave those teenage boys.
I hope they throw the book at him. I really do.
Jordan was Lucia McBath's only child. :'-(
[I wasn't aware that Jordan was his mother's only child. How sad, sad, sad!
Flying over restricted airspace is still a very big deal, and then there's the risk of being shot out of the sky, but the government is aware that mistakes are made. All it takes is to be straddled by two fighter jets and you get the message. Who pays for those scrambled jets? I don't know, but it's most likely taxpayers. Part of the territory, I guess, but if you can afford a plane, a bill in the mail is not so out of place.]
britt-I don't see tracy martin as having obstructed justice. When asked he said he wanted to consult an attorney first. At that point ball was in Sanford PD's court, all they had to do was get a court order for it from either him or the carrier of the phone. Simple
Orlando Sentinel | By Jeff Weiner | George Zimmerman defense asks judge for original recording of interview with ‘star witness’
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Geroge Zimmerman’s legal team has asked a judge to force an attorney for Trayvon Martin’s family to turn over to the defense a recorded interview with the witness described as the teen’s girlfriend.
This is the motion. It doesn’t appear to have a filing date on it, so I think it is purposely a Friday afternoon special. (I don’t see it filed on the Court’s website, either.)
As mentioned in the article, the defense is suggesting that Witness 8 (DeeDee) is eighteen.
Donald West | Motion To Compel Production of Evidence From Third-Party
Quote from Footnote Page 8 3rd Paragraph:
{snipped} As a recent example, the defense just got a stack of reports from FDLE and the FBI (dated months ago) in the 9th Supplemental Discovery Exhibit. Several of the reports contain exculpatory information, including reports of witnesses who told the FBI that they can identify George Zimmerman’s voice on the now infamous 911 call as the one screaming for help...and this on the heels of the state telling this Court at the hearing on October 26th that the defense had received “everything.” These reports identify several law enforcement and civilian witnesses not previously disclosed and identify court records and other investigative reports not yet provided to the defense. A more specific demand for this additional discovery will be the subject of a separate motion. {snipped}
These are the working links given in West’s motion:
Link from bottom of page 1
Link from bottom of page 4
This is full video of a press conference Mr. Crump gave where he played parts of DeeDee’s first interview. The sound quality containing DeeDee's voice is very bad, and note the date. So, I don't know.
NBC News VIDEO | 37:22 Minutes/Aired March 29, 2012 | Lawyer: Unarmed teen’s friend heard altercation
[Whatever the defense wants, I see no reason for Crump to cooperate unless ordered to do so by the court. This defense is going to try to character assassinate his clients' son. To hat end, why would Trayvon's parents want to help at all?]
This is a new article too, even though I don’t see the purpose of rehashing this stuff. I wonder if they are trying to distract us for some reason.
Orlando Sentinel | By Jeff Weiner and Rene Stutzman | Sanford cops a problem for prosecutors in Zimmerman case, experts say
Sub-Heading: Lead Sanford Investigator Chris Serino hires famed Casey Anthony attorney Jose Baez to represent him in prosecution of Trayvon Martin shooter.
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It was a strange development in a case that has seen more than its share: Chris Serino, the lead Sanford police investigator in the Trayvon Martin shooting, hired famed Casey Anthony defense attorney Jose Baez to represent him at his upcoming deposition in the case.
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If you haven’t seen this video by LLMPapa, I hope you take a minute to watch it. Question 2 particularly interests me. If my math is correct, there is approximately 4 minutes and 21 seconds from the time Zimmerman told Serino that he was walking back to the ‘T’ from RVC (7:12;34 pm); until the time the shot was fired. (7:16;55 pm)
Now, that is a long time to stalk and terrorize an unarmed teenager. So, by Serino shaving off 2 ½ minutes—that makes things quite a bit more favorable to Georgie boy, doesn’t it?
Also, the very last call between DeeDee and Trayvon began around 7:12 pm. I don't believe Serino knew about that when he filed the Capias on March 13, 2012.
I guess my point is, if the cops are a problem for the prosecutors, the true facts are a problem for the defense.
YouTube VIDEO | Published November 24, 2012 by LLMPapa | A Few Questions For A Lead Investigator
[Good video; good questions. This is why Serino needed an attorney.]
This is hardly worth the time it takes to read. It is long and boring. We’ve heard all his excuses many times now.
The only interesting part is that it is written to Michael Skolnik. The other day on twitter Bobby, Jr. began tweeting articles to Mr. Skolnik. Mr. Skolnik replied by asking if he knew him. LOL
Anyway, Mr. Skolnik suggested that he would interview him, and somehow we have this long and worthless diatribe.
Mr. Skolnik rocks, though. It will be interesting to see his response.
November 30, 2012 | From The Desk Of Robert Zimmerman Jr |
An open Letter to Michael Skolnik, Editor-In-Chief: Global Grind
I'm back to the Jordan Davis case with this link. Below is a quoted statement from Dunn's lawyer that just falls short of confirming that Dunn never stepped out of his vehicle. According to his atty, he also took the time to load his gun. I realize that wouldn't take long, but it wouldn't take long to throw your car in reverse and get out of dodge, either.
I know we will never know for sure, but he may have been so drunk that a shadow of an arm moving in the vehicle could have looked like a shotgun to him. : - (
The Global Grind | By Patrick Phillips | Jordan Davis Isn't Trayvon Martin, But Isn't Michael Dunn The New George Zimmerman?
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"Having said that, check out what the shooter, 45-year-old Michael Dunn's attorney is saying:
[Time to load his gun says it all. That gave him plenty of time to move to another parking spot, call 911 and call his girlfriend to tell her to remain in the store. Why didn't he warn her if he felt so threatened? Don't come out of that store!]
nan11 - excellent links, thank you for taking the trouble!
Dave, wonderful post, as always. One question: Do you know for certain that Tracy Martin knew Trayvon's PIN number? I know that in Joseph Santiago's report, he mentions that Mr. Martin would speak to his attorney before providing that information, but nowhere have I found that Tracy actually had that information.
[Thank you, nemerinys! Do I know for certain? No, not really, but Mr. Crump pretty much made it clear that he knew the PIN and wasn't going to give it to the police because of the way they were handling the case. I have access to my parents' credit card PINs, and I would think that, for a child to get a phone, odds are pretty good that they won't get one unless Mom & Dad can keep an eye on them. That's just my opinion, though, since I'm way too old for teenagers.]
New You Tube video by LLMPapa. It is powerful, and painful, and poignant, but the closing sentiments are, oh, so beautiful!
Thank you, LLMPapa.
You Tube VIDEO | Published on Dec 1, 2012 by LLMPapa | To Tracy Martin, From LLMPapa
[Yes, nan11, it's a very touching video. Thank you for the link and a special thank you to LLMPapa. Very nice.]
The title of the following article pretty much explains what you can expect to find within; but the part I quoted interested me because now I can add: Dunn took time to unholster his weapon.
Okay, that means Dunn opened his glove box, removed and unholstered his weapon, loaded his weapon, and maybe lowered his car window—all this after he ‘thought’ he saw a part of a shot gun sticking out of the window of the other vehicle. I dare say, had those teenagers actually had a weapon –they would have had time to fire 8 or 9 shots into his vehicle.
News Leader | By Leonard Pitts | 2 Page Article | Another victim of black blindness?
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This article contains some interesting links. One of them I have separately linked below. In spite of the brief mention of race in the write-up, I wish they had specifically included it in the statistics. I think the only mention of ‘race’ is in Trayvon’s case.
Huffington Post | Janell Ross | Jordan Davis Shooting Result Of Florida’s Gun Laws, Opponents Say
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Violence Policy Center | Total People Killed by Concealed Carry Killers May 2007 to the Present | Florida: Page 20
[That Dunn had time to do all that will bring any SYG motion to a complete standstill. Since he had the opportunity to back down and didn't will show his intent. Shoot to kill. Carload of blacks. Shoot 'em up. Just being black was a deadly weapon to Dunn. How else do you explain it?]
┌( ಠ‿ಠ)┘ LLMPapa rocks, and this video is well done and the statements are point on.
You Tube VIDEO | Published on Dec 2, 2012 by LLMPapa | 1876, Deadwood
Great writting yet again Dave...............An enraged mob spotted Richard Ramirez the Night Stalker an chased him through the streets captured him an restrained him untill L E arrived to take him into custody......He was also very guilty......
[Thank you, ecossie! There were no enraged mobs in either of these cases, but I wish there were.]