Holstering a Lie
Wednesday, September 19, 2012 at 12:34PM 
Frantically, White-Hispanic Man fought for his life, screaming, kicking and shimmying, as the mighty monster, Big Black Gangsta Boy, grabbed the gun from its holster, nestled along the right backside of our legendary hero, George ZZZIMMERMAN. Tossing and turning they went, as Trayvon Martin, gripping George’s head with both hands, smashed it over and over and over against the sidewalk pavement, in what must have been at least one-hundred times. CRACK! CRACK! CRACK! People on-scene heard the muted sounds of breaking eggs. Trayvon was better than the best Ninja fighter, everyone later described, as he took his third and fourth hands and covered George’s nose and mouth. Good thing he was still able to blow those desperate cries for help out his rear end. Better yet that, as Trayvon held onto George’s arms with his fifth and sixth hands while grappling for the deadly gun with his seventh, super-duper ZZZimmerman was able to break his arms free from the gangsta’s vice-like grasp and pry the gun away in the nick of time, single-handedly taking precise aim and firing it directly into our enemy’s rapidly beating heart. POP!
Yes, God was on our mighty hero’s side that night because, Trayvon, who stood 5-feet taller and 300 lbs. heavier than the demure, yet pudgy George, ended up losing the war after knocking the man 40-feet south with one single blow. KAPOW! Through the air ZZZimmerman went, in the opposite direction, too, as the young teenage Trayvon, with one giant leap, landed viciously on top of his stunned target, like a lion lands on its prey.
HA! HA! HA! PFFFT…
That’s the way some people like to describe the way it happened, but in reality, it didn’t. As a matter of fact, I believe the gun’s recoil hit George in the face, not Trayvon’s fist, but speaking of blows…
In a huge blow to the defense, forensic tests made public today show that Trayvon’s DNA WAS NOT found on George’s gun. The only DNA that could be identified was George’s. That means Trayvon NEVER touched the gun. PERIOD. Or you can buy into the Zimmerman spin on it, I’m sure, and excuse it this way: Just because it’s not on the gun means nothing. George’s super-clean DNA wiped off dirty Trayvon’s. George’s is much more powerful. Besides, Trayvon was just “going” for the gun. George stopped him from ever touching it. Our hero! End of story.
Sure.
Just remember that, in a court of law, evidence that’s not evidence is no evidence at all. That means the DNA found on the gun is real evidence. George’s DNA. The DNA that wasn’t, isn’t. Get it? The lack of Trayvon’s DNA on the gun will do nothing to help the defense. It may, however, be argued earnestly on pro-Zimmerman blogs and forums, but that’s it. Call it damage control. My advice is to ignore them. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement tested samples from the gun’s grip. Just George. No one else, and with more tests performed on other parts of the gun and holster, technicians were only able to positively identify that he had control of it. Was George too fast on the draw for Trayvon to try to defend himself?
Does that mean Trayvon never fought for the gun? Does anyone really believe he had a seventh hand? How about a third?
I rest my case.
Links:
Case Part 5: Gorgone FDLE Complete Report
GZ State’s 7th Supplemental Discovery (Redacted)
Cross-Posted at Daily Kos
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Reader Comments (121)
Ah. More carefully worded defense reaction to the lack of Trayvon's DNA on the gun.The Zimbots may say they're not worried about it, but that's not the case at the top level. This is their only means of colouring more supporters at just the second. They've taken it.
The latest is R. Zimmerman Jr, in video with transcription from Global Grind, etc.
http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmermans-brother-robert-letter-trayvon-martin-family-video-interview
Here is Coffee Lover's link:
RZ Letter to TM's Parents
"Trayvon's passing...?
Passing? He is as much of BS liar as his brother! It was a "shooting death" if ya don't wanna convey "murder." Lessening what happened to Trayvon...his passing. Oh, what a piece of work that was. I'm fuming! Please, Zimmermans and friends of, no more!
Coffeee Lover
Well one thing that statement proves is the whole clan is in cover your butt mode. It also proves GZ wouldn't have any problem with the English language.
Thanks for posting.
Sherry, Tommy's Mom,
It's beyond the pale, isn't it? Gag them with a spoon, if only we could!
There's little reaction to this so far, I looked and it's not made the rounds yet. It will, but what is so obvious to us, PFFT. It shows just how determined the Z's are.
No one should ever reply on me for news, LOL, time is so constrained for both conversation and reading. Plus, the Z's make me ill :((( I take breaks, plenty of them!
CofeeLover: You said: Ah. More carefully worded defense reaction to the lack of Trayvon's DNA on the gun.
I think you have hit the nail right on the head with your statement!
I think their approach is: If all else fails, taint the jury pool. jmo
Good morning and happy Wednesday to all. I'm up and reading through my e-mail. Some of you will also find this link when you check yours.
http://my.firedoglake.com/mason/2012/09/25/george-michael-zimmerman-and-the-thirteen-commandments-of-criminal-defense/
I normally skim every defense oriented blog to keep my perspective on the case. In this article, Z-Man and O'Mara are the targets. It is well written, although I've not run into this author before. It's a must-read!
What is fascinating is his conclusion, that O'Mara cannot prove that Z-Man was in mortal danger:
"I italicized “reasonably” because the test is objective, not subjective. That is, he must not only believe he is in imminent danger of death or serious injury, his belief must be reasonable.
Satisfying that burden should be easy since Zimmerman admitted to Serino that he had Martin under control with a wrist lock before he pulled his gun and shot him. He also admitted to the investigator who administered the voice stress test that, after he grabbed his gun, he extended his arm beyond his left hand to avoid shooting it, aimed, and pulled the trigger.
Assuming for the sake of argument that he believed he was in imminent danger of suffering death or serious injury, and I do not think the evidence supports that conclusion, his own words establish that his belief was not reasonable."
At the end is this note: "(H/T to Logi for pointing out Zimmerman’s statement to Serino admitting that he had wrist control of Martin before pulling his gun and shooting him)"
The comments are also terrific.
ritanita
http://my.firedoglake.com/mason/2012/09/25/george-michael-zimmerman-and-the-thirteen-commandments-of-criminal-defense/
Just shows that MOM has a road to hoe. I can't believe he stays on this case. It's surly a case for Bozo or the finger man.
Excellent comment thanks for posting the link.
Dave: This is probably a stupid question--to which I think I know the answer, but, honestly, I'm not sure.
Question: Does a Dennis hearing offer complete immunity from civil and criminal prosection, just like a SYG hearing?
I did read your comment on the Dennis hearing; but, to me, that makes it sound as if a Dennis hearing, (hearing to “decide the factual question of the applicability of the statutory immunity.” ), falls under a different statute; and the same immunity on both levels may not apply.
I think the answer is 'yes'. Even at a 'Dennis' hearing--if the judge finds (by a preponderance of the evidence) that Zimmerman acted in self-defense--then he is free from all future law suits and so is the HOA of RATL.
I have seen opposing views, though.
So, I'm confused and just wondering. Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
ritanita
Great post! I can't believe MO has stayed the course with this case. Bozo or the finger man would fit Zimmerman perfectly.
I posted this early today but,it seems t have disappeared.
With regard to the HOA, that's the only piece of news Google brings up early this am.
A legal opinion on the O.S. blog:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/classified/realestate/blog/os-what-the-trayvon-martin-case-can-teach-associations-20120927,0,771231.story
It's so quiet in here---perhaps Dave is experiencing more of those computer problems he mentioned not long ago.
For the 1st time, a short post I typed up 10 minutes ago disappeared into the ether as well. I'm just checking to see if this one appears.
Coffee Lover
Thanks for the link. Very interesting.
If the HOA is held responsible do you think they will allow Zimmerman or his family to live there? I think I read somewhere his father owns the condo.
Oh, I saw it was for rent, and whatever happens, will happen.
Which brings me to this: Coming to the nets looking for an answer, I found it. Dave provided a safe environment for discussion, but I heard something on a tape one night and ultimately I can't unhear it.
Because if someone has time to utter 4 syllables, they've time to say "Freeze! I'll shoot."
Giving Zimmerman the benefit, even hypothetically: Suppose over Trayvon's screaming he didn't hear the neighbour shout, "Stop, I'm calling 911!". He'd already called himself.
Whether Ms Corey's office presents high tech evidence or low tech evidence using only photos, testimony and the tapes unenhanced the case is solid but the defense will not be waving a surrender flag. Everyone will shredded.
This should be about one man and ONE gun--but it's a national monster now. Will I watch the trial? No. I'll hear a verdict one day, somewhere. I'll think about what I learned.
Please no one respond to this, I will only look to make sure our host, Marinade DAVE is okay. I will know that when he makes a new post, or the blog changes!
For those in the group think tank here who continue to follow this, thanks for sharing. I wish all the best!
[I'm still here, CoffeeLover! Don't abandon me yet.]
Nan11 - In answer to your question about immunity from lawsuits and further criminal prosecution, that's a tough one to answer.
3.190. Pretrial Motions (b) Motion to Dismiss; Grounds. All defenses available to a defendant by plea, other than not guilty, shall be made only by motion to dismiss the indictment or information, whether the same shall relate to matters of form, substance, former acquittal, former jeopardy, or any other defense.
My take on it is this - In this sort of motion, I don't expect any defense to throw everything into it like in a dismissal/immunity motion filed based on the SYG statute. It's like probative relevance, of sorts, where "tending to prove" comes more into play. By that, I mean a given item of evidence may prove or disprove one of the elements of the case, not all.
However! If there's enough there to have the charges tossed, I think you're right. Zimmerman should be free to go and suffer no legal recriminations. Of course, all of this is merely my opinion, but that is the way I see the law.
(BTW, I did put up a brief new post to explain where I've been lately. Part of it, anyway.)
Thanks so much for your reply, Dave. It makes it all the more interesting, doesn't it.
It seems this 'possible' Dennis hearing is a very clever move on the part of defense.
No surprises there, though. imo
[My pleasure, nan11. Sorry it took me so long. Personally, I feel that a Dennis hearing won't amount to a hill of beans and the case will move on to the dismissal/immunity stage based on the SYG statute. Ultimately, I don't believe the defense can produce enough evidence either way to stop the case from going to trial.]
I cant wait till Trayvons school records get released, lol! Great posts Bryan. Some have invested too much to be wrong.
[Keep waiting, B... I'm not sure what you mean by some have investd so much to be wrong. You mean blog people? PFFFT. Look at what happened with Casey Anthony. Most bloggers were convinced she'd be found guilty. Could it be that you could be wrong, as well? Or do you believe in divine intervention by an act of blog? Your personal investment is worth something? That's funny!]
"In a court notice filed in Seminole County on Thursday, Zimmerman attorney Mark O'Mara indicated that he had conducted depositions with several members of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement the previous day.
That includes an FDLE crime lab analyst who tested evidence in the case for DNA, including Zimmerman's gun, his flashlight, his holster and his and Trayvon's clothing."
More here....
George Zimmerman's Lawyers Begin Depositions (DETAILS)
[Thank you, Snoopy. It's about time he started. I had a feeling he's been doing it, but nothing was in the news.]
COFFEELOVER - Thanks for the post concerning Robert Zimmerman Jr.
Which self serving version of George HAD TO kill Trayvon love the Zimmermans peace and a bottle of hair grease is this?
Brother Robert March 29 2012 when asked to say something to the family of Trayvon over one month after brother George killed Trayvon:
''ZIMMERMAN: Well, to his mother, you know, personally, myself, I can't speak for George, this is a tragedy. Her son was lost. I feel very badly about that. And I want, in the end, not for her son's memory to be seen as how we degraded our system and turned it into mob rule and went into a hate speech, you know, carnival of hatred and let's go get him and tweeting addresses.
I want Mrs. Martin, the same Mrs. Martin yesterday who saw humanity in my brother to know that I can see humanity, too, in Trayvon. I understand this is a story about human beings and I think that was a touching thing that she said last night. And you know, ultimately, we all wish that this was a different situation."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1203/29/pmt.01.html
Brother Robert April 11 2011 when asked to say something to the family of Trayvon the day brother George was charged and arrested for the 2nd degree murder of Trayvon:
"ZIMMERMAN: You know, as the family for us, we have nothing left to give. We have had our privacy taken away. We've had -- you have had your son taken away. There are no winners in this situation in either family.
George has been arrested. That's what they have called for. That's what they have witnessed today. And when the wheels of justice turn and when all of the system exonerates my brother -- we are confident that will happen, that the truth will come out and that George has been telling the truth the whole time.
Please, for peace sake for the whole world, and for people who are observing our legal system, please accept that answer. You know, please in the name of peace, let's accept that answer. Let's let the system do its job. And not – "
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/11/pmt.01.html
Good luck with that Robert and the Zimmermans
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Dave - spot on about the comic con – imo he is antihero zero zimmerman. I picture him more in some depraved version of the WOZ. He can’t take Trayvon’s shoes off his feet, the ground he takes keeps turning into sinking sand not gold, he can’t melt Ms. Corey, he cant get over the rainbow he keeps tasting it, he has enough knowledge to be dangerous, he is a cowardly liar, and he shot Trayvon in his heart because he is heartless
[Thanks, mimmie. I thought that was apropos as I was writing it. I also like what you coined; the "antihero zero zimmerman." Something tells me Z has been a major screw up his entire life. This is not the first wall he's ever walked into, but this one sure is the hardest. It's not going to bend or break no matter how much he comicly thinks he's got the magic touch.]
Ahoy! The Captain's fine, first mate posting some news!
Westerner's are fond of country music, handy with a rope. There's more than a few people I'd lasso, hogtie, like to fire some pucks at. Beginning with the defendant,of course.
Mimmie, your exerpt is part of a reason I need to step away and muzzle myself!
Explicit language....
George Zimmerman - W11/Jeremy are both LIARS!!! Jeremy Confirms it.
Here is another great video commentary by stateoftheinternet concerning W11:
George Zimmerman - Witness #11 - Proves GZ is a Liar
He picks her testimony apart, too.