George, Trayvon and Other Trials and Tribulations
Sunday, May 6, 2012 at 6:33PM Lately, I’ve been pondering a few things about George Zimmerman and his victim, Trayvon Martin. When I’ve had the time, of course…
The Age Factor
On his February 26 recorded phone call to a Sanford Police Department dispatcher, George Zimmerman described Trayvon Martin as black and in his late teens after being asked. When he took the stand at his bond hearing, he apologized to Trayvon’s mother and father, Sybrina Fulton and Tracy Martin, and saying that he thought the boy was closer to his own age of 28. That, at best, is a 10-year age discrepancy — a huge difference. What intrigues me the most is that, from a distance, Trayvon looked like a teen; hence the description to the dispatcher. Surely, as the two men approached each other, it should have been even more apparent to Zimmerman that Trayvon was, in fact, a mere teenager, especially moments before the fatal shot was fired. In my opinion, it makes the apology superficial.
Clearly, Trayvon’s age will be a factor during the second-degree murder trial. Why did George contradict his own statement to the dispatcher about the boy’s age while on the stand? How will his defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, explain this faux pas to the jury? This is not an easy math problem to solve with tangents, cosines and mirrors.
Sunset came at 6:23 PM that day. Sixteen minutes later, at 7:09, George called the police. How long had he been tailing the teen in order to decide his approximate age? Certainly, once darkness fell, it should have been more difficult to make any sort of call regarding age, unless enough light was cast from street lamps, but still, it meant a clean enough look to respond to the dispatcher’s query regarding the youth’s age.
What made him tell the dispatcher that Trayvon was in his late teens? Why did he change his tune on the stand?
The Myspace Page From 2005
You can read the page here.
“I love the fact that I can still go back home and crash on my boys couch as if i had never left, I can hit my boy up to handle a lil somethin with my sister and he’s at my house with his boys on bikes before i hang up with her! They do a year and dont ever open thier [sic] mouth to get my ass pinched.”
Is Georgie Boy admitting that his pals do time in jail for him? They never rat him out? What sort of upstanding, law-abiding citizen allows his “friends” to take the blame? A hero?
“Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges……”
Ex hoe? How about it ladies?
“I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book… Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!”
Does that sound racist? Does it prove anything? Can it be used against him in court?
Here’s what I’m hearing in the hood. Well, it’s not really any kind of hood, mind you. Call it word on the street. Zimmerman was only 21-years-old at the time of this particular Myspace page. What would you expect from a 21-year-old, right? It’s an odd question, though, because Trayvon was only 17 when he died and I’m hearing all sorts of excuses for homeboy Zimmerman acting that way when he was 21, but nothing in favor of Trayvon four years his junior at the time. Why was it OK for Zimmerman to act like a street-punk gangsta at 21, but not OK for Trayvon at 17, if, in fact, he acted that way at all the night he died? You see what I mean? What’s good for the goose should be good for the gander, right? Only this time, it cost a boy his life; hardly punishable by one year in jail, served by one of Joe G’s friends, the name Zimmerman went by on his Myspace page.
Here’s something else to consider. According to the Miami Herald Website, another one of Zimmerman’s Myspace pages under the username “datniggytb” was taken down last month. datniggytb? Huh? Why was it swiftly removed? Any ideas, folks? Could this have been factored into the arrest?
Personal Observations
A lot has been said about the donation site and other support pages set up by Zimmerman’s defense attorney. In my opinion, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Yes, public funding will save Florida’s taxpayers a ton of money since he can no longer claim his client is indigent. Yes, it is a bit tacky, but there’s no reason why he or anyone else, for that matter, cannot ask for handouts. Ultimately, it’s up to you (and only you) to decide whether to fill his coffers or not, which leads me to…
Life is full of radicals. They come from the far left and right. On the left, there are those who would be very happy to proclaim that a vote against Barack Obama is racist. I’ve heard it myself. Do I believe it? Is there any truth to it? No way! We are a diverse nation, filled with liberals and conservatives, Republicans, Democrats and independents. When it comes to voting, ethnicity no longer plays a role. We vote for who we please.
There are those who believe that a donation to George Zimmerman’s defense fund is truly racist, too. I wholeheartedly disagree. While some of the money might come from white supremacists and bigots — true racists, indeed, there’s more to it than a simple explanation. For sure, Zimmerman’s going to get funds from the NRA, either by the organization itself or its members, and from gun supporters in general. That’s mostly because of “stand your ground” laws in place in several states. And, of course, the Second Amendment; the right to bear arms. This particular aspect has nothing to do with racism. Because the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case is such a complex issue, I don’t think it’s as black and white (pun intended) as a superficial explanation or excuse. It’s much deeper. It could be either/or, or it could be both/and, if you understand my meaning. We must keep our minds open. Not all of Zimmerman’s supporters are white any more than all of Trayvon’s supporters are black. Besides, Zimmerman describes himself as Hispanic/Latino on his old Myspace page. I look beyond his race and see a cop wannabe who grew up reading way too many comic books. Nothing more.
On a more personal note, I have been noticeably absent from my blog. I am not trying to elicit any sympathy or anything, but my father suffered a stroke. He has been in the hospital all week and I have many important family obligations to attend to. My mind is focused on mostly that, plus other very personal things going on in my life. SnoopySleuth has been doing an exemplary job of maintaining my blog and I appreciate it more than she probably knows. All I can do is thank her for her efforts, and thank you for your continued support. I promise, things will loosen up, but it may take a bit of time. Soldier on!
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Reader Comments (161)
Oh New Puppy - you didn't cause anything. Everybody just woke up on the wrong side of the bed or something. It would have occurred I suspect no matter who was the first to post this morning. Everyone will get over it I am sure.
I hope that no one leaves.
Newbie and Cherokee, what is the significance of hollow point bullets? Does it matter what kind of ammunition GZ used?
I am not a gun person, but from what I understand is a hollow-point does a lot of interior damage whereas a regular bullet just hits and goes through...the hollow-point bounces off bones, etc. My understanding is that the use of hollow-points is to prevent the bullet from exiting whatever you shot and going on to hit someone else or through a wall, etc. This is only what I have heard - I have no real knowledge on it.
Just this! No, I am not of the Jehovah Witness Faith and not of any other single denominational community. (my answer to one anonymous email inquiry)
While everyone is waiting for a document dump, I am wondering what is going on with the internal investigation into the SPD. There are two aspects of this case that I would hate to see go by the wayside. First, is the internal investigation into the handling of the Martin/Zimmerman case from the outset. Second, is the Court's handling of what appears to be GZ's and GZ's family members' failure to be candid with the Court during the Bond hearing concerning the monies donated to GZ's paypal account. As a citizen, I believe these are very important issues and I hope that Trayvon's parents keep these issues in the forefront as they monitor this case going forward. As has been reported in the media, if the case was not handled appropriately from the beginning, it could very well affect the ability to prosecute this case because of uncollected evidence. As for GZ's and his family's candor with the court, we have a right to expect that sworn testimony be the "truth and nothing but the truth" - not "the truth and nothing but the truth, except for what we don't want to tell you." IMO, there was a reason the GZ's brother was not available with the remainder of the family to testify on the day of the Bond hearing.
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
CherokeeNative....I agreed early on with your statements feeling they were based on fact yet as the day went on feel a lot of what you were saying was opinion. I think you might agree if and when you read your statements. I hope you get back on track while commenting today.
You are correct on the hollow point ammo. There are some gun owners who use it because of performance in accuracy and the fact it won't go whizzing thru the target landing in God knows where yet others like it because of the damage it does. I asked what type ammo GZ used out of my own curiosity not that it will become an issue in this case.
Thanks for the info. Now, as much as I do not want to, I have to leave and go about my day.
Whoops, almost forgot. It would seem unusual if a person carrying this type gun would load the clip or chamber a bullet on the spot. The weapon would be ready.
Newbie - I may have been voicing my opinion, or it may have been stating fact - but I don't know which comment you are referring to so I do not know. Let me know, and I will try to clarify. I have a LOT of opinons LOL - and I don't want them to be construed as fact...so I will wait to hear what it is I said. :-)
Yeah, I don't know if the type of ammunition GZ used will be of importance at trial - true it causes more internal damage, but it also lowers the risk of someone else being injured by a passing through bullet.
As for loading the clip - Like I say above, I have absolutely no experience in handling guns. The clicking noise on the 911 tape was first brought to my attention on this web site a couple of articles back and that got me to listening. Then the other video, HausofGuns was brought up at another site and I decided to compare the two sounds and share them here since this is where the clicking noise was raised. So, all I am saying is, they sound similar - but I cannot give an "educated" guess even...I simply do not know.
Hope the weather is as beautiful where you are as it is here today - I too have to run around today so will check back later to see what it is that needs clarifying per your comment. Thanks!!!!
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
In case I was unclear about why I wrote about my tree trimming, it was to show how as property owners we do not have the rights we once enjoyed over the land we pay taxes on. That is part of why I think SYG laws have been passed. Often laws make sense on paper but once enacted the loop holes appear.
Hey, Cherokee Biotch! This here is Navaho Native who has some news for you! Health problems kept me from marching for Trayvon in our town's justice march. So I am a racist, eh? Who the hell are you to say that crap? Did you not visit my site? Here you go you disgusting piece of garbage who has driven a couple of Dave's long time regulars out of here!
A Racist Feminist Margaret Sanger
The Exploitation of African American Women
Look up the Mark Barmore case. Unfortunately, I deleted my blog, Pearls, but I wrote on it. It was a case that drew Jesse Jackson who wanted a big chunk of change from a black church just to show up! Yes, I can understand being paid but the price was exorbitent(sic)! Everyone, black and white and hispanic, complained about it. Here is the kicker-the shooting incident happened in the daycare part of the church and the pastor's wife and daughter saw it. They refused to show up at the GJ hearing for Mark Barmore's sake. They had better plans. He needed a voice and they failed him! Other plans? Just visiting family out of state that could have been rearranged for Mr. Barmore's justice. How heartbreaking that was!
I have little tolerance for those who willy nilly accuse people of racism just as much as I despise those who want to take advantage of any people group due to the color of their skin. And for blacks to not speak up for their fellow man when in the face of racism irks me, too. Not to mention that calling someone a racist for their opinions/criticisms about someone of another color where no racial epithets are spewed is just idiotic. Soon enough, if it hasn't happened already, that word will have no meaning when it needs to.
Now, Porky, You are really a peice of work! You give me some so-called story about working for a racist to make a point about GZ still being a racist even if he helps out minority children. Do you realize what a sad commentary of yourself you made? Think about it! You are a sellout for your race instead of a champion. You just said that you are OK and will be silent with a racist so long as he is helping you out. So much for your edjumacation if you can't stop yourself from shooting yourself in the foot by sharing a story! BTW, I have a feeling you were just BSing me to make a point about racism. LOL! Good one but it caused me to lose alot respect for you.
Now, New Puppy, you are a fraud. Remember when I did you wrong a couple of years ago? I asked your forgiveness, you gave it, I said I didn't deserve it and I told you that I saw Jesus' grace and mercy by your kindness. What kudos you received from everyone for being so forgiving! Hahaha! Were we ever duped! The next day I went to read at Ina's, Dave's thorn in the flesh and a place you enjoyed frequenting, and see you there bashing me! Some forgiveness-oh, the hypocrisy!
Now, I am done with commenting here until things change for the better. I will always read Dave's post because I love the man and his writings. We've had our run-ins but he is a genuine forgiver. He gives his readers his very best and i appreciate that. I'm not about to let some know-it-all newbies run me out of here!
Well, Sherry!!! I went to WHO? and bashed you. Show me what you are speaking of and I will bow in humbleness. Show me Sherry! You know Sherry, a few of you stick up for the other NO MATTER WHAT one of you do to someone else. I will not do that, I will never tell you that you were right to address someone as "pig" and right now, I don't give a damn if it was my business or not. Go back and read, I thought and hoped you and the other might be kidding. I do not play with hurting someone. If you were my very best friend I would never pat you on the back for trying to take someone down for my benefit. You really came in and let us have it with both fists now, haven't you. You know what? You and yours can have Dave, as far as I am concerned. I don't deserve him and I am not going to waste life's precious time thinking people like you can be dealt with in words or trusted. By the way, Sherry exactly what did you do to me wrong a couple of years ago. I do not recall anything at all, but I surely will have a hard time forgetting what you have just accused and attacked me for. WHAT? I will not pray for you because right now, I am not in good standing with the one who I would be talking to. So say whatever you like to whomever you feel you want to if it makes it all better for you or who ever else will be proud of you. You are hurting Sherry and I am sorry for that part, because I surely know what it is like to be hurting and no one cares. I don't know you and you don't know anything about me unless Dave has told you. And I am not about to apologize to Dave about what I have said here either unless he asks me for it. If he and you want only a couple of long time regulars and that's all, looks like you are getting what you want Sherry. Maybe you are his sister, cousin, aunt, or mother for all I know. It is midnight and I wish I had never stopped in here or at this moment done anything else tonight that I have done. I guess none of us have shown any real respect for the fact that he said his dad had a stroke, have we. I'm off to Hell!! so enjoy yourself Sherry and whoever else wants to take up your great cause. I'm a "fraud" because I will not kiss butts!! Guess that's it!
Mark NeJame on Piers Morgan's Show with Zimmerman Family Photo
Gee, with the One Drop rule it means that GZ is black...
"The first round of discovery documents in the George Zimmerman Case are most likely to be provided to O’Mara Law Group on Monday, May 14.
Public release of the discovery may be delayed as we may be filing a motion to further redact information, and an opportunity to review the discovery is necessary to determine the applicability of that motion.
While we understand the frustration of those who want to view the information as soon as possible, we believe that Mr. Zimmerman’s right to a fair trial, decided by an impartial, unbiased jury is paramount"
http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/press-releases/16-george-zimmerman-discovery
You just have to wonder what both sides are hiding with the mutual agreement for the discovery delays. My guess is that the defense does not want the public to see some stuff that could be damaging to their client and possibly inflammatory. I think too that the police may have done things that night ( trying to bury stuff) that would show as equally inflammatory as well.
As to Nejame. Consider that he and Omara are good friends. In fact Nejame sent Zimmerman to Omara. Nejame also states that he bases his opinion on talking to people who know Zimmerman but i have to wonder why is Nejame conducting these interviews? What is his point anyway? If Zimmerman does have any black blood in him it is far removed and he certainly does not identity himself as a black person.
Finally, even if Zimmerman does have a percent of black blood in him, does that really preclude him from having racist tendencies? I think that his actions spoke infinitely louder than his "partial lineage". Example, I have known people who have traces of native American in them who absolutely despise native Americans.
I do not believe the label of 'racist' can be proven or debunked in most cases. I can however, believe there is truth and evidence to the actions of racial profiling and criminal profiling. GZ called police solely on the suspicion of a black man walking slowly while wearing a hoodie in his neighborhood at 7pm in the evening.
If I was walking (a 58 yr old native american that looks like a grandma) in a hoodie at 7pm on a Sunday night (a low risk time I suspect for 'break ins'), it appears he would not have the same reservations or there would be a significant history of him calling on all people walking around his neighborhood at 7 pm at night. There is not that history. The only 'fact' GZ gave the police on the 911 call was that he was wearing a hoodie, walking at 7 pm at night, and 'appeared to be on drugs'. He also clearly knew when asked by the dispatcher that Trayvon was "black'. These truly were the only "facts" GZ knew - he was wearing a hoodie and black. All the rest of his assertions to the dispatcher were based on his impression. Racial bias complicates our 'reading' of threat level as well as perceptions of 'real threat'. So do I think GZ felt threatened? I believe the answer is 'yes'. Do I think that "threat" was racially biased? I would have to say that the answer for me again, is a 'yes'.
If this case reaches trial and GZ is acquitted for this killing proving some aspect complies with the Florida law of "Standing your Ground", then there will be those that feel GZ was in the 'right'. Does the 'legal' applicability really excuse the action and the response? Is feeling threatened by a black man walking down the street satisfy the "threat to life" criteria?
The pertinent fact is that GZ found Trayvon suspicious because, as he told the 911 dispatcher, the boy was walking slowly and looking around while wearing a hoodie. That might be the behavior of a boy who was turned around in an unfamiliar neighborhood. Or of a boy enjoying a cellphone conversation with a girl and not overly eager to return to where his sweet nothings might be overheard by his soon to be step-brother.
That no such alternate possibilities seem to have occurred to GZ for even an instant suggests the degree to which he had grown comfortable with the belief that black is crime and crime is black.
It appears GZ had grown so obscenely comfortable in associating black with crime that he, as a civilian carrying no badge of authority, nevertheless felt it his right to require that an American boy walking lawfully upon a public street justify his presence there.
Porky - ITA with all three of your points. What never ceases to amaze me is that the majority of the people within the USA are decendents of foriegners from other countries - yet, they have the nerve to consider themselves the only ones entitled to breath our air.
Of course Nejame and O'Mara are friends - and I have no doubt (IMO) that Nejame and O'Mara have a private agreement that Nejame will get the "exclusives" from O'Mara in reward for having referred GZ to O'Mara. JMHO.
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
Dave~~I read here as you know. Since NeJame is one of your good friends, I could not let this one go. Is the following an insinuation that Mark O'Mara is breaking the attorney/client privilege by feeding information to Mark NeJame re his client. NeJame is a legal analyst for CNN and I doubt if he would stoop this low or O'Mara for that fact. I do not care if this is someone's opinion but things like this written on your blog is very disheartening.
People who comment have the right to shed a bad light on Zimmerman who they believe is guilty. That is fine but to include two good attorneys in their smut campaign is a totally different ball of wax.
Read this...
Of course Nejame and O'Mara are friends - and I have no doubt (IMO) that Nejame and O'Mara have a private agreement that Nejame will get the "exclusives" from O'Mara in reward for having referred GZ to O'Mara. JMHO.
It is sad to see your blog going downhill after all the work that you as well as myself and others, have put into making it one of the best.
NeJame and O'Mara are 'colleagues' and both are professionals in their field with their own separate offices. When NeJame turned down the request from Z to be his counsel, due to other commitments, he suggested O'Mara may be available.
Now back to my sandbox... Dave, I will connect with you over yonder ... take care.
Snoopy - I do not know how you think that by O'Mara providing Nejame the exclusive on any news announcement O'Mara intends to make would some how breach the attorney/client privilege or in some other way degrades O'Mara? If O'Mara is going to go public to the media with something, there is nothing wrong with him agreeing to give that information to a specific reporter or legal commentator. Nor did I say it was FACT. I specifically stated it was my opinion. Please, I am asking that you quit trying to take things that I say and twisting them. I am not seeking you out and trying to argue with you - try to turn the other cheek and do the same. I have done nothing wrong. I am entitled to my opinions. It is you who is making this an argumentative blog.
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
I am at the rehab facility with my father now. Long week+ at the hospital. Anyway, Mark NeJame is a consummate professional, as is Mark O'Mara. I discussed a book with NeJame during the Anthony trial. While he expressed no interest in writing one, although the thought had crossed his mind, he did offer me his help if I decided to write one, which is an option that is still open.
In my opinion, he will not be writing a book about this case, either. If anyone can, it would be O'Mara after the case is over, but even so, he would never compromise his client. No back room deals were made between the two, though. Of that, I am sure.
Back to family matters. I hope to be back to blogging soon.
Tra ~ la ~ boom ~ dee ~ aye, so happy I've no idea what is going on. I do know blogs, talk radio and similar forums tend to become dull and fade away when they are without controversy. Usually controversy is encouraged to maintain is valitity. I don't have a clue what happened here. I dislike fueding and only popped in this week for the first time in months. I wish you all peace.
Tootles
ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST EACH OTHER WILL JUST RESULT IN ONE THING: TURNING COMMENTS OFF AGAIN.
Families of Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman receive outpouring of donations
Response to Gun Range Targets
on 11 May 2012.
We have had numerous media requests asking us to respond to reports that an unidentified person has produced a gun range target meant to represent Trayvon Martin. We feel we must go on record as stating that we unequivocally find this appalling and disgusting in every regard. It is an insult to the Martin family, it inflames the already heated social tension surrounding the George Zimmerman case, and it represents an irresponsible approach to gun ownership. It is this type of hatred that will make it more difficult to try this case.
George Zimmerman Legal Defense Fund
On May 3 we received certification of our registration with the Florida Division of Consumer Services. This allows the Legal Defense Fund to properly accept donations.
These monies will be used for George Zimmerman's ongoing living expenses, legal costs, and fees for this matter. The funds are being administered by a third-party administrator, who has a background of being a former IRS agent, a Certified Public Accountant, and great experience in dealing with Chapter 7 bankruptcy trustee matters.
Source
I am unsure when the last time this site was updated to reflex the total of donations...
Justice™ For Trayvon Martin
We may have to wait a bit longer to see those documents....
SANFORD, Fla. -- George Zimmerman's attorney said Friday that he is preparing to receive 5,000 pages of critical evidence in the Trayvon Martin shooting investigation.
Even before that happens sometime by Monday, Mark O'Mara said he will file a motion to delay for at least a week that information being made public.
The evidence is said to include Martin's autopsy report and statements from key witnesses. O'Mara said he wants time to make sure the witnesses are protected, and he wants to challenge material he said he believes shouldn't be made public.
"I'm going to ask the judge to let us hold it until we have a chance to view all of it," O'Mara said.
O'Mara said prosecutors will share the evidence Monday from which they're building a second-degree murder case against Zimmerman. He will file a motion asking for at least a week to see if some of the material should be thrown out.
"I want to make sure we minimize anger that has been growing in this case, and it may be in the discovery, and I want to see if it's appropriate to let it out," O'Mara said.
O'Mara also wants to challenge Florida's Open Records Laws by holding back from the public certain witness names and information for safety reasons.
Prosecutors and the lawyer for Martin's family support that move.
Read more HERE at source
Dave,
Re Nejame. I do not intend to suggest that Nejame has an unethical relationship with Omara. I have nothing against Nejame and in fact have used his office for a civil matter before ( not that happy with their civil side though). Nejame does appear to be very pro defense in this case and to put that meaningless photo out there of his great grandfather calls in question his position on this. Is he a CNN neutral and objective analyst or has he sided with the defense and is simply imparting his opinions to support his position? The latter explains his release of the photos.
But as I have said before what does Zimmermans great grandfather have to do with his state of mind NOW? Further according to that same article Nejame stated that he has talked to a number of Zimmermans friends but I have seen no parallel effort yo speak with those who wee close to and grew up with Travon.
Again, I am not accusing Nejame of anything but it is pretty obvious that he is working to clean up Zimmermans image. Whether that is a result of his relationship with Omara is anyone's guess.
It dawned on m that there could be another reason that Nejame might be advocating for Zimmerman. Zimmerman came to him before Omara got involved. Nejame may have met him and simply liked him. Still though.
It will be interesting to see how the media attorneys deal with the discovery to be released to O'Mara this coming week. From what I have read, O'Mara is hoping to review the records before they are made public in order to file a motion for more redactions to protect witnesses, etc., and the media attorneys believe that it must be released to them at the same time it goes to O'Mara. I agreed with the media attorneys when they originally stated that the discovery was due 15 days from the date that O'Mara made his April 12th demand for discovery - but that deadline has come and gone and the media attorneys have not filed a motion to enforce it. So, it remains to be seen how O'Mara and the media attorneys will deal with O'Mara's intention to review the records prior to them being released to the public/media under the Sunshine Laws.
http://fsne.org/news/2012/05/01/lawyer-angela-corey-missed-deadline-to-release-evidence/
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
"But as I have said before what does Zimmermans great grandfather have to do with his state of mind NOW?
Porky3100"
Absolutely nothing Porky - but at this point it is image and damage control. Delay, delay, delay, and in the meantime, try and change the public opinion of GZ's image. JMHO
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
Happy Mother’s Day, Moms! God bless all of you!
Happy Mother's Day to all the Moms and the Mr Moms
Wow - some people just don't use common sense or decency:
In the past couple of days, news sources have reported that the Hiller Armament Company of Virginia has been selling gun targets that look like Trayvon Martin, complete with a hoodie, Skittles, and iced tea. "Shooting targets resembling Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager shot to death in Florida by a neighborhood watch volunteer, were offered for sale online before the ads were pulled by the auction site."
More at site:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47393845
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
Dave~~ This is an interesting article by...Formerly a reporter for the Tampa Bay Times and Orlando Sentinel, Susan Clary is a freelance writer in Orlando.
In Trayvon Martin case, why all the fuss over Zimmerman’s defense fund?
Dave ~~here is just another take on what may have transpired on the evening of Feb 26th...
George Zimmerman: Did he shoot Trayvon Martin in self defense?-Video
For those interested, it appears that under the sunshine laws, once the discovery is provided to the defense, it must also be turned over to the public, as it loses its exempt status as criminal intelligence or investigative information unless the Court has issued an order that the discovery may be withheld under one of the following circumstances:
1) If the information would reveal the identity of a victim of a sexual offense or child abuse pursuant to s. 119.071(2)(h), F.S.; or
2) If a court order has been issued finding that release of the information prior to trial would:
a) be defamatory to the good name of a victim or witness or jeopardize the safety of a victim or witness; and
b) impair the ability of a state attorney to locate or prosecute a codefendant.
It would appear to me that if O'Mara wants to withhold the discovery from being released to the public until he has time to review it and decide whether additional redactions need to be made over and above what the State has redacted, he would need to file a motion seeking an order in advance of the discovery being turned over to him.
For more info, see: http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/manual/1BB05D142D8E4724852566F3006C7A1A
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
On today, Mother's Day, I think it is appropriate to share Sybrina's wish:
http://secondchancecampaign.org/card/
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
Happy Mother's day to all of the Mothers is the forum. Sorry Dave, no happy mothers day to you buddy,
Snoopy. Thank you for the link about a possible self defense claim by Zimmerman. It is always nice to have differing views. Just a few questions on that article.
Taffe is the friend of Zimmerman who just happened to be at he scene moment after the shooting right? What was he doing there? Was he the same individual who took the infamous leaked photo of Zimmerman's bleeding head? Now those are sluethy type questions that I hope would help in the gathering of facts, but I also ask your opinion of the following question. Given what we know about Taffe, do you honestly think he would say anything that might incriminate Zimmerman?
Porky3100 ~~I don't know anything about this Taffe or if he took the picture of the back of Zimmerman's head. The alert came in my mail so I thought we would get to read another take on what may have happened.
I am waiting for some documents... the autopsy report and interviews. That is when I like to analyze and give my take on what may have occured on that night, otherwise I would be just guessing.
I am waiting for you to post a clickable link... to see it you get it to work.. Ahhh...don't keep your teacher waiting.. lol
In time in time ye impatient teacher :)
But back to nit picking. Do you think that it is important to examine the relationship between Zimmerman and Taffe? Do you think we need to know how he came to arrive at the scene so quickly?
Porky3100~~if I had his phone number, I would call and ask him. If he asks who is calling and I say Snoopysleuth, do you think he will hang up on me? Maybe I will tell him my friend Porky3100 wants to know . That may work... In all seriousness, yes, it would be interesting to see how he happened on the scene so soon. When you find out, just put a link to the info...TIA
[edit] Porky, I just went back to that link I posted and read this... It could be a reason he is sticking up for Zimmerman being a former neighborhood watchman himself...
He talks with Frank Taaffe, a friend of Zimmerman's, and a former neighborhood watch volunteer himself, who says it was self defense.
Now here is some more on Frank Taaffee. It looks like he did all the media rounds to defend Zimmerman.
The Trayvon Martin case: Why Frank Taaffe is as scary as George Zimmerman
Trayvon Martin Case: Frank Taaffe, Friend Of George Zimmerman, Defends Shooter
More on Taaffee
Snoopy, Taaffe was everywhere (I'd like to italicize here, but I mess it up every time!), and truly sounded as though he had 'bout personally witnessed this himself, speaking VERY authoritatively on what was said by whom in sequence, who did what exactly, how they moved, the whole deal in other words, like he had a camera up somewheres.
It's one thing to support a friend or a position (self-defense, here, say) in an abstract way- quite another in imply you knew everything about the incident, soup to nuts. He was actually annoying as all get-out on NG, just very rude to other guests as well as the hostess (and got poofed as a result); after the first time I was willing to overlook as Media Newbie-ness and his passionate and genuine support of a friend, but the fact is his account (which we have to presume is what he got from GZ- no?) has changed in subtle details over time (as is so much that we've found out), and now he tells us he was right there, RIGHT AFTER? Well, this is new info, ain't it now? Why wasn't that introduced to us all right away? Is it because the defense NEEDS him or some other surrogate to somehow be there on the spot to move the game-post a wee tad? Maybe the other witnesses are not falling into a line the defense is happy with, and the ones who did seem to have some info that tended to support the self-defense position have started back-peddling when faced with problems with the timeline, what other persons are stating, etc.?
Me, I'm still waiting on the autopsy report. I understand that GZ's friends and supporters have every right to go to the media and do what they do, but not to change or majorly add to their own statements in the way that Taaffe has appeared to have done. I do know for a FACT that I personally would be hopping up and down, lawyers be d@mned, heck, before I even had one (who would try to talk me out of it) to take a poly voluntarily if I truly believed my cause to be just, given the same set of facts. That is, IF I were comfortable with the need for such a drastic response, as shooting an unarmed teenager.
Happy Mother's Day to the fellow-Moms, and to your Mom, too, Dave!
Karen C~Happy Mother's Day to you too...
It seems Mr Taaffee put himself in the role of a private investigator. He doesn't know for a fact what transpired that night any more than we do. It is just all more speculation and it seems he liked to have his mug on camera. He reminds me of another Cindy Anthony...if you say something over and over long enough, you think that people will believe you.... "it was rotting pizza with maggots..." right?
We need to get some docs in and forensic reports and beat them to death... dang, I hear it may be another week before they get released to the media..
Dave~~these just came in my alerts... take them with a grain of salt...
So What! New Zimmerman Family Photo Show He Has African-American Heritage (VIDEO)
O'Mara about writing a book, "definitely not."
Mark O’Mara, George Zimmerman’s, lawyer becomes a media focus as Trayvon Martin case progresses
and...
George Zimmerman didn’t “stand his ground”
Porky3100~~you asked me the following up thread and I don't want you to think that I was evading your question.... Given what we know about Taffe, do you honestly think he would say anything that might incriminate Zimmerman?
Given what I now know about Taaffee after reading at all those links, my answer would be definitely not.
I didn't pay much attention to Taaffee when he was making his media rounds. I guess it must have been when I was busy with other trials.
One other thing that crossed my mind... when O'Mara told the judge about the fund of $204,000, the prosecution asked the judge to raise the bond or revoke it. Did they ever file a motion requesting this as I don't recall hearing anything about it? The judge was going to review the funds but he needed more info re same.
On April 27th, the State prosecutor made an Ore Tenus Motion for the Court to raise GZ's Bond; The Court reserved ruling at that time and Ordered O'Mara to provide genesis of the account, who is in charge of the account, date of payments, and how defendant became aware of money. These matters were to be addressed on May 8th, but were continued to August 8th.
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/April%2029%20court%20minute.pdf
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.
By then, the fund will be so big that they may take it to IPO :DD
I just saw a partial witness list based on the link below. of interest, they Prosecution lists Taffee and the Robert Zimmerman as witnesses. I think that this is a clear signal that they will use the various inconsistent statements to show that Zimmerman might have given those close to him variations.
There is are 2 unnamed witnesses that I would venture to say are the girl friend of Travon and perhaps someone who saw something.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-14/news/os-george-zimmernman-omara-gets-discovery-20120514_1_special-prosecutor-angela-corey-evidence-rachel-fugate
Porky3100~ ~ here is your clickable link
George Zimmerman prosecutors file list of witnesses, evidence in Trayvon Martin shooting
Porky - Maybe the other witness is the one who saw two figures, one chasing the other... Just a guess.
Thanks for sharing !!
Caveat: These are my personal opinions based upon my own interpretation of the facts and evidence that we have to date. I am sharing my conclusions concerning speculative topics. Under no circumstances should you interpret my comments as challenging your own opinions and/or conclusions.