Emo Screamo Helter Skelter
Saturday, January 28, 2012 at 5:59PM 
“Today is my 18th birthday. I’ve sat in jail for over two years now. On October 21, 2009, I fulfilled my deepest desire to watch someone die by my own hands. I wanted to know what it would feel like to kill. It was fun! First, I slit the 9-year-old’s throat. Then, I strangled and stabbed her in the chest. Yes, yes, I watched her die with utter fascination. There’s nothing in the world like it and I found out there’s no higher rush than watching vibrant eyes slowly dim. The gasping and gurgling sounds in her throat were real turn-ons.
“Some people called me an emo. I don’t care; call me what you want, it doesn’t matter. I am a cold-blooded murderer. I was only 15 when I slaughtered Elizabeth Olten. My name is Alyssa Bustamante.”*
Three weeks ago, on January 10, Bustamante stood before Cole County Circuit Court Judge Patricia Joyce in a Jefferson City, Missouri courtroom and pleaded guilty to second-degree murder and armed criminal action. She was originally charged with first-degree murder. Her trial was set to start on Monday, January 30.
Judge Joyce asked her if she understood she was giving up her right to a trial. She said yes. Staring straight into the judge’s eyes, she admitted everything, “I strangled her and stabbed her in the chest.”
“Did you cut her throat, too?” the judge inquired.
“Yes,” Bustamante responded.
The reduced murder charge is due to her plea in lieu of a trial, which will save taxpayers a small fortune. On the plus side, the plea does not include any agreement on a reduced sentence. In other words, no deal was made, so she faces 10 years to life in prison for the murder charge, and no less than 3 years for the armed criminal action charge, defined by Missouri law as:
571.015. 1. Except as provided in subsection 4 of this section, any person who commits any felony under the laws of this state by, with, or through the use, assistance, or aid of a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon is also guilty of the crime of armed criminal action and, upon conviction, shall be punished by imprisonment by the department of corrections and human resources for a term of not less than three years. The punishment imposed pursuant to this subsection shall be in addition to any punishment provided by law for the crime committed by, with, or through the use, assistance, or aid of a dangerous instrument or deadly weapon. No person convicted under this subsection shall be eligible for parole, probation, conditional release or suspended imposition or execution of sentence for a period of three calendar years.
What prompted a young girl to commit such a crime? Was it something inherent in her DNA? Was she destined to be a murderer or was she merely conditioned by outside influences; a product of her own culture and upbringing?
No doubt, Alyssa Bustamante could readily be classified as an emo, but what are emos, and where did the term come from? Clearly, I am not a stereotypical stereotyper. I believe that we are mostly responsible for our own actions, with few exceptions. Certainly, if provoked by a serious threat to our well-being, a defensive reaction would be necessary, and that could include killing a perpetrator. In the case of Elizabeth Olten, Bustamante schemed to kill this child. Whether Olten was the intended victim all along, I don’t know, but they lived very close to each other in St. Martins, a small town just west of Jefferson City.
What, exactly, is an emo?
I guess it’s rather difficult to describe exactly what an emo is because no two people are alike. I am a product of the 60s, and there’s no single definition for a hippie. Some were peace-loving draft dodgers. Others were pot smokers. Some dropped acid and some just dropped out of the mainstream thinking of the masses at the time. You know, a counter-culture philosophy of eschewing the establishment. Peace. Right on. Out of sight, man.
I imagine we could look at Charles Manson as a prime example of a message gone awry. The Beatles song “Helter Skelter” had nothing to do with racism in America, serial killings or hatred of all things pig; as in da fuzz. Cops. Dirty coppers. Paul McCartney wrote the tune as a response to The Who’s Pete Townsend, who wrote the single, “I Can See For Miles.” “Helter Skelter” was inspired by a spiralling amusement park ride and it was intended to prove McCartney’s critics wrong for accusing him of only writing ballads.
Unfortunately, Charles Manson interpreted it as a perfect opportunity to wage a war between blacks and whites, in which racism was more pronounced then. Power to the People and all. By killing wealthy whites, society would blame blacks, as they were called back then, and retaliate. Racist upheaval! What a concept.
What’s strange was that Manson literally had power over his people, called his “Family” members. Sex was rampant. Through drug-induced orgies, he brainwashed his Family into committing horrible crimes; murdering and slashing a quite pregnant actress, Sharon Tate. That’s just for starters, of course, because more people were slaughtered, but my point is merely that some people are more influenced than others. Despite my involvement in the culture at the time, I was more of a follower of John Lennon, who sang about giving peace a chance. That and my religious upbringing.
Emos are in another world, cleaved from the counter-culture of Punk and Indie rock music. While the term emo can be traced to the mid-80s through music, it didn’t come into its own until after 9/11. According to Andy Greenwald, author of Nothing Feels Good: Punk Rock, Teenagers, and Emo:
“The media business, so desperate for its self-obsessed, post-9/11 predictions of a return to austerity and the death of irony to come true, had found its next big thing. But it was barely a ‘thing,’ because no one had heard of it, and those who had couldn’t define it. Despite the fact that the hedonistic, materialistic hip-hop of Nelly was still dominating the charts, magazine readers in the summer of ‘02 were informed that the nation was deep in an introverted healing process, and the way it was healing was by wearing thick black glasses and vintage striped shirts. Emo, we were told, would heal us all through fashion.”
Today, emos are generally considered to be emotional, sensitive, shy, introverted and/or angst-ridden; angst meaning a feeling of insecurity, anxiety and apprehension. They can be nervous wrecks on the inside. Sometimes, they harm themselves by cutting their arms and wrists, and occasionally, they take it beyond that by deciding suicide is the way out. Bustamante cut herself, but she took a different path by killing someone else.
Hannah Bond was a wrist-cutting emo living in Kent, UK. In September of 2007, she hanged herself in her family home. On the evening she died, she had argued with her mother over spending the night at a friend’s house. Losing the argument, she said, “I feel like killing myself.” An hour later, she did just that.
Both her mother, Heather Bond, and the coroner blamed emo music for her death at the official inquest. It seems that some emo music glamorizes suicide. Apparently, she had been part of an Internet “emo” cult and her Bebo page contained an image of an emo girl with bloody wrists. At the inquest, it was also learned that Hannah discussed, online, the glamorous part of hanging herself after showing her father her cut wrists, a ritual, which was part of her emo initiation. (See: Emo Girl — Hannah Bond)
Heather told the inquest that she had studied the emo phenomenon since Hannah’s untimely death. “There are websites that show pink teddies hanging themselves,” she stated. “She [Hannah] called emo a fashion and I thought it was normal.”
Little did she know.
We may never know why Alyssa Bustamante chose to murder Elizabeth Olten instead of taking her own life, which she attempted to do in 2007. During the sentencing hearing, set for February 6-7, Cole County prosecutor Mark Richardson and public defenders Donald Catlett and Charles Moreland will present evidence for Judge Joyce to consider before rendering a final decision. Will Bustamante speak on her own behalf? Will she blame herself or something else? I don’t know, but until then, here’s something for you to ponder… What does this picture remind you of? Whose name do you associate it with?
Murder is a strange thing. Sometimes, you get away with it. Sometimes, you don’t.
*Not a direct quote
Dave Knechel | tagged Andy Greenwald, Charles Manson, Charles Moreland, Donald Catlett, Hanna Bond, Helter Skelter, Hippie, Jefferson City, Mark Richardson, Missouri, Paul McCartney, St. Martins | in Alyssa Bustamante, Casey Anthony, Dave Knechel, David B. Knechel, David Knechel, Elizabeth Olten, Judge Patricia Joyce, Marinade Dave, Marinade Dave Knechel, marinadedave | Share Article | 1 Reference 
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Reader Comments (36)
Thanks for the article Dave.....Thats not a helterskelter though that chute youve pictured.A Helter skelter is a British word for a big dipper or roller coaster...Its also a phrase simmilar to pell mell or running uncontrolably down a steep hill ect.
Interesting, ecossie. I went to this website:
Helter-skelter
There is a picture of a windmill, but it goes beyond that, from a much earlier time:
But, beyond the fairground, what is helter-skelter? The term long predates the fairground ride and has been used to mean disorderly haste or confusion since at least the 16th century. Thomas Nashe used it that way in his 'Four letters confuted', 1592:
"Helter skelter, feare no colours, course him, trounce him."
('To confute' is, or rather was, as it has been used only rarely since the 17th century, 'to render futile', 'to prove an argument to be false'.)
Helter-skelter has been in common use in England for the past 400 years and has been known in the USA since the 1820s.
Neither helter nor skelter had any meaning in themselves. Like many word pairs of this sort (called rhyming reduplications), they only exist as part of the pair - although skelter was used alone later, but only as a shortened form of helter-skelter.
Another reduplication with a similar meaning is pell-mell (a confused throng or, in disordered haste). This originated around the same time - the first recorded use dates from 1579. Others which came later, but which are in shouting distance in terms of meaning, are harum-scarum (reckless rowdiness) and hurly-burly (commotion and confusion).
The site is called The Phrase Finder from the UK. Methinks the word has more than one meaning because it also shows a windmill. Anyway, thank you. It fit the article, whatever it is.
This is one difficult post for me to comment about so please forgive me if I do not make much sense...
Dave~ ~this case is sickening, pure and simple, and damn scarey. What goes on in the minds of some of these people who kill for the fun of it? It is like they are possessed with demons who control their emotions and eventually their actions. I would put Alyssa in the category of the criminally insane.
Did Alyssa know that killing the young 9 year old was wrong? Of course she did. Instead of committing suicide to get rid of her demons, she wanted someone to kill her by way of a death penalty. She did not have the guts to kill herself which would have been a God-send as it would have spared the life of the young girl she murdered. I think if we follow Alyssa we will learn that she will take her own life eventually in jail or set herself up to be murdered by another prisoner. It is taking the self-mutilation to the extremes. Anorexia is another form of self-mutilation. Some of these young people can be helped but for many others therapy is a waste of time.
I am more inclined to think that a person is destined to be evil from birth rather than them being a product of the environment. Just like the extra chromosome producing a child with Downs Syndome then why not a bad gene creating a monster. Maybe somewhere down the road, scientists will be able to tell if a fetus will end up being a dangerous criminal while they are still in the womb by a test on the amniotic fluid. This is one time I would agree with abortion.
That may be a little farfetched right now but they are doing amazing things with the make-up of DNA. If they cannot figure out what makes a person's brain work, then they should go back to the basics and study conception and nip the problem in the bud.
Dave,
Thanks for this article even though it is scary.
Isn't that teddy bear picture the one Casey had on her computer? Is Casey an emo?
I knew this one would be difficult, Snoopy, but it is factual. I am sure the judge will sentence her to a longer term than 10 years. Even so, she will be quite young to adapt to a prison life and she may be left alone, but for one reason. Child killers are frowned upon, and unless she finds a sugar mommy, she may find it rather difficult.
I'm not completely sold on the notion that evil comes while in the womb. Where Down's Syndrome is a clear cut medical abnormality, I don't think it would be possible to make such determinations regarding crime at any level. Look at Casey. Had she never gotten pregnant, would she have killed anyway? Suppose she lost her ovaries in a car crash. What would she be up to today? There are so many variables, I don't know what to think. That's why I left it open to interpretation by the reader. That's why I also included self-defense as a means to kill. Does some level (or levels) exist between cold-blooded murder and self-defense? Where, legally, is the line drawn? In many Islamic cultures, women are stoned to death for being raped. In my opinion, that's murder, but not to them. In those cases, it is a learned experience. They were taught that way from an early age. And we tend to look the other way because it's a custom.
Thanks for tackling this difficult subject. It's very much appreciated.
Yes, Nanna Frances, it's very scary. And yes, that's the picture we saw from the Anthony computer. Casey's picture. Was she an emo? Probably not, at least, not in the sense that Bustamante was, but it makes you wonder. There's more to these counter-cultures than meets the eye. The emo lifestyle has been traced back to the mid-80s, but it underwent changes throughout the years. I don't think Casey cut her wrists, but I'm sure there are overlaps between the generations.
Thanks, that was a great question.
Dave~ ~killing in self-defense is a normal instinct for survival of ourself or to protect our loved ones. Look at a mother bear with her cubs. She is rabid when her young are present and she fears they may be in danger. If that same bear is alone, she would probably run away from you.
I can't even begin to compare a 'killing' in self-defense to a cold blooded 'murder'.... there is a wide gap between the two.
Yes, Snoopy, but what would you classify a mercy killing as? Where it is legal and expected in Muslim societies, daughters - rape victims - are stoned to death. It's not considered murder. They are proud to do it in the name of family honor. In my opinion, it's murder any way you look at it, but not there. That's what I mean by influences that have nothing to do with DNA. How many Islamists want to murder every infidel in the world? To them, it's not murder.
Here's something else to consider. WAR. Otherwise peaceful, law-abiding citizens are put into a situation out of their control. Killing is the only way out at times. Were they conditioned from birth; were they born with a defect that made them who they are, or was it the military. I need not look further than Vietnam to make a call.
Dave~~I think we have enough problems with dealing with issues in the US and Canada without trying to figure out the laws in faraway countries.
Yes, your country went to WAR with Vietnam and we ended up with an overload of hippies aka draft dodgers here in Canada. Are you sure you wish to discuss war? You cannot compare killing in a war to people like Alyssa killing for the fun of it. Soldiers who go to war kill in self-defense. They are defending their country and its allies.
I am not sure what you mean by mercy killing. Stoning someone to death is certainly not showing mercy. Aborting a fetus that would end up being an axe murderer would be a mercy killing. There is still a lot of controversy over when the fertilized egg becomes a human being. If we wish to take that to extremes, then male and female should not copulate unless a child is conceived. If a woman takes a contraceptive, is that murder?
Dave~ ~since we seem to be going all over the place in this post.... take the men who fought in Vietnam, they were not conditioned to kill and torture. A good percentage of the ones who made it back home ended up druggies and shell shocked. They were fed morphine so they could kill and became addicted. Others who had lost limbs got addicted to pain medications. So no, they were not conditioned to kill at birth.
Hi Dave!
imo We have monsters among us, and yes, evil does exists. Bustamante is proof, and indeed, her upbringing didn't help. It just brought it out sooner. I feel sure that she would/will kill again if she is released into society. She, like CaCa, is an evil monster. Snoopy makes alot of sense, and I agree with her.
Hope u r feeling well, and are happy! Love ur photo!
Mary Beth
Thanks, Mary B.... oh God I try to understand and make some sense out of some of these satanic people..
Dave~~it wouldn't matter if Casey had a complete hysterectomy. With no Caylee in existence, it may have been Cindy, George, Lee or one of her many bed mates. She was able to kill once and she can do it again. I think Casey has justified in her own mind that it was right to murder her child. It was her only recourse when she could not cope with being backed into a corner, so to speak.
I don't think that Casey learned a damn thing by being locked up in jail for three years. When the 'not guilty' verdict was handed down, it just reassured her that what she did was okay. She probably felt quite smug that her orchestrated lies paid off. Will she kill again? I would never want to cross her and be in her line of fire. To Casey, the second time around would be a piece of cake.
Well, Snoopy, I think Vietnam was a poor choice, but my point was that conditioning could play a factor in deciding whether to kill or not. Take a disgruntled employee who loses his job and goes back to kill his boss and everyone else in his path. What happened? Was this person predisposed to kill at birth? That's my point. Something snapped. You see, my point is only that there's no way to determine in the womb what someone will be capable of doing 25 years down the road. That's all. Will doctors ever find a gene, chromosome, DNA or genome that could show future thought? I don't think so. Can it show whether a person is going to be attracted to the same sex? That argument has been going on for years.
As for Ca Ca, yes, it could have been Cindy or George instead of Caylee, but we'll never know. From all the medical examinations she underwent, doctors were baffled. She was as "normal" as you and me.... well... as normal as you, anyway, only she was, and still is, very strange.
By the way, Einstein donated his brain to science in hopes that the medical community - world-wide - could figure out what made his intellect so superior to everyone else. So far, his brain is identical to everyone else's. Years from now? Who knows, but I doubt it.
Hi Mary B. - There are some evil people, alright, and this post was written to look at some who seem to fit the mold. Sometimes, I wonder if people are like lemmings. In Bustamante's case, was it the music (and lifestyle) that drove her to kill or was it in her blood? This is a post to reflect on that very question.
Thanks! I'm glad you love the photo. I'm assuming you mean the one when I was in high school.
Dave ~~I am not saying that ALL murderers are predestined to kill at birth but I do believe some are. There are those that are born evil. Some murder because they are pushed over the edge as is the case of a man killing his boss and fellow employees. There are crimes of passion and also murders committed when a person is classed as being temporary insane. I am not trying to lump all murderers into one category in that they were predestined to kill.
When you think of John Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manon just to name a few, I honestly feel that they were born evil. Dahmer was killing small animals at a young age. He was predestined to kill.
Dave~~ I want to share the following to show what I consider 'conditioning or influence'....
I want to tell you a true story about a little boy. I will call him Jamie. Jamie was conceived by a woman who cared more for going after the bio father for support payments to pay for her drug addiction than she did for her child. This woman had hep from using dirty needles and was unable to work or so she claimed. She made it to bingo with no problems.
Jamie's mother was also a lesbian and was with a companion for about three years. The companion grew to love Jamie. When this union broke up, Jamie's mother did not want him anymore. She gave him away to child services. The companion went thru a great deal of redtape to take Jamie in to her home as a foster child. By this time, the companion was into another relationship with a woman who also cared for Jamie.
Jamie could never understand how his mommy could give him away and never visit him. He tried to commit suicide when he was just five years old. He got his hands on a lighter and set the curtains on fire in his room and barracaded the door. Thank God, he was saved but he made it known what his intentions were- he did not want to live any more.
Jamie also tried self-mutilation by cutting himself. He did this on several occasions. Jamie ended up on medication and anger management therapy thanks to very caring foster parents.
Jamie was a regular visitor to my home and loved to help me in my garden. I think he looked upon me as the granny that he never had and he knew I cared for him. Jamie poured his heart out to me and he knew I was listening to every word. I made time for Jamie. I assured him on just how much his foster parents loved him but did not offer him any other advice as I felt it was not my place. Jamie went through some rough years and got into fights at his school and was expelled on several occasions. He also had to put up with the other kids taunting him about his foster parents being gay which was the cause of a lot of these altercations.
The above is what I would consider 'influence' on how a person, in this case, Jamie, could end up being abusive to others or harming themselves without the intervention of caring people. People need to be educated, especially parents with young teens on how to watch for the warning signs. Knowing what your child is doing is not invading their privacy. By discussing these issues openly and honestly on this blog is a good start. We may just garner some attention from the readers who happen to come by.
Update...Jamie lives out of province now. He is employed, has a nice girl and just became a father himself last month. He visited me a couple of years ago and I got a big hug and kiss from a handsome young man. Jamie may have become a statistic without the proper help. As Jamie matured, he realized that his mother had a sickness, drugs. He visits his ailing mother and they have made some sort of amends. She also lives in the same province as Jamie.
Check out Insane Clown Posse and their acolytes for shivers. Of course ICP themselves are a triumph of marketing, but the acolytes rack up some pretty impressive criminal records. We might be hearing more about all that soon, if something finally does happen in the Lisa Irwin case....
Karen - I've heard of Insane Clown Posse but I know nothing about them. It will be interesting to find out their connection with the Lisa Irwin case. Thanks.
Sorry,but I'm in total disagreement with some posts that think this type of person is born as a killer. My God does NOT make mistakes where breaking the law is concerned. You are born with free will and can chose. If on the other hand you are born in a place where honor killing is accepted and beieve in the writing of Mohammad which teaches such,well we all know that's not what Christ taught.
If abuse as a child is a defense,I should have been a serial killer.
I had a teacher Miss Casey who once told me,if you are hurt by someone forgive them and yourself. Wipe the slate clean and go on.
I really like your blog and thank you for it.
The picture at the end of your article I believe was something that Casey had on her computer.
I can't comprehend that someone would want to kill another human being because they wanted to see what it would feel like. I feel for what Elizabeth Olten and her family have had to go through. I can't imagine the horror she was put through. It would be interesting to know if Elizabeth was her target all along. I hope this judge throws the book at her and gives her the maximum on both charges. If she is ever released again I think it would be safe to say that she would kill again, especially since she got such a rush the first time she killed. Killing Elizabeth was a choice that Alyssa made and now she is going to have to live with it. I don't think it bothers her at all knowing she took another person's life. Very sad.
Hi Tommy's mom - I'm more inclined to agree with you. Most people turn into monsters from conditioning, but there are some born to be bad. I don't know how to categorize each individual. Certainly, Hitler was a monster, but was he predestined to be a mass murderer? With Manson, was it too many LSD hits that changed him? When I lived in a house in NJ, a 7-year-old neighbor boy broke into my home and slaughtered one of my roommate's finches. Took a kitchen knife and cut the head clear off. Why? I don't think at his age he was taught to have a violent streak. His grandfather was the police chief at the time. No, I do think he had it in him to begin with, but he is still few and far between.
Sometimes, abuse as a child is admissable during the sentencing phase of a trial. Do I agree with it? I think, as an adult, you are solely responsible for your own path in life. I didn't have an easy childhood, but my mother and preacher grandfather kept me from sinking. But I don't think I would have ever turned into a bad person anyway. It's just not in me.
Your teacher gave you excellent advice. I wish more were like her. Those are positive and encouraging words, and we learn from the examples adults set for us. They help us with our values.
Thank you for your thoughts on this, and for liking my blog. That's kind of you.
Bingo, Mary Jo! That hanging teddy bear picture came from Casey's photo album. I'm not passing any judgement, but it's interesting to note the girl looks to have an emo-style haircut. Whether or not it means anything, I don't know.
I think you're right about Alyssa, though, because it was nothing more than a thrill, as if life is something of no value and easily discarded. Yes, she is going to have to live with it, and I hope she has a long life in prison to think about it.
I was raised in a small town by older parents whom used the word Helter Skelter as in, the chickens or dogs or people ran Helter Skelter. I thought it meant a group moved in an unpatterned manner. I never questioned the meaning until C. Manson murders. Its strange how terms and words spread throughout the world. After Viet Nam there were many terms used in our daily speaking. Remember Boo- koo (sp)?
Well Dave, I just wrote a comment, one that will not make me any friends. I punched Preview Post and the whole thing disappeared, so guess it was not meant to be. Will this get thru?
I knew Helter Skelter only by the Beatles song, originally. It meant, to me, that things were screwed up, disorganized and crazy. That was, until Manson came along, but I never attributed it to his definition. The song was just what it was; a song. Granted, The Beatles had plenty of hidden meanings in their music, but with Lennon and Harrison, the messages were about peace, harmony and smoking pot. I've yet to find a person high on marijuana who would want to go on a murder spree.
Yes, it's strange how words come into play. Boo koo, bookoo, or boocoo are phonetic American variations of the French word beaucoup, which means an abundance, as in boo koo cash - something I do not have.
New Puppy - Try writing it again in a word processor first. That way, you have a back-up if it fails to publish. Signing in might help, too. Whether people like what you have to say or not, it is your opinion and I want to hear it.
I have no idea why comments disappear, but it's not here, tucked away, I assure you.
Je t'aime beaucoup ou I like you boo boo
Hi Dave
You have written this brilliantly. The content is so disturbing. No idea if people are born or made this way. I always think my daughter and her friends are a little quirky. One never makes it through a sleepover because she gets homesick for her Mum. Another has a preoccupation with male abductors and really believes in her head that there's a bad man / weirdo at every turn. First sleepover at my place and I called the police because she had me convinced some pervert had been looking through the window lol. My daughter wants to be a Mermaid. At least they aren't like this girl.
Dave~~the following article is some interesting. Maybe you have already heard about it on the news. This was meant to be an 'honor killing' but Mohammad Shafia, 58, his wife Tooba Yahya, 42, and their son Hamed, 21, were each found guilty Sunday of four counts of first-degree murder in the deaths. If you read the article, you will see that some amazing investigative work, by the RCMP, went into making the arrest and proving their case. If some of these foreigners want to stone someone to death or commit an 'honor killing', they better do it in their own country.
Shafia Trial: Inside Story Of How Police Caught Killers
Hi Tiffany - Thank you very much for your assessment of my post. Yes, it is very disturbing indeed. I tend to lean in the direction that it's a learned thing; acquired through experiencing things in life. Of course, some people are born to be wild, but not the majority. Look at mass crowds that are hypnotized or mesmerized by a speaker, like Hitler, and go on to commit atrocities they never would have thought of.
Those are some quirky little girls, aren't they? I don't know what I'd do in your situation. Sleepovers are definitely a mother's thing, but I wouldn't mind picking up a couple of pizzas for them to eat. Then, I'd stay out of the way.
I'm only vaguely familiar with this particular honor killing, Snoopy, but this is a perfect example of what I was talking about. To us, it's murder any way you look at it, but to them, it's a common, everyday thing. Interestingly, when their sacred book teaches something, they take it literally in some areas and not in others. Many traded in their camels for motor vehicles years ago, but the religious tome explains nothing about caring for Jeeps. So you see, even the zealots bend their own rules to suit themselves, but not when it comes to honor or mercy killings, where the old and way out-of-date rules still apply.
A couple things... First, my stepson has done many violent things while on pot- not booze, not pills, pot- his drug of choice. I mean beating people up and going into rages. What's out there these days is not like the hippie-dippie stuff of yore. He would do nothing but get whacked on weed all day given his druthers and that has caused him no end of problems on a gazillion levels. And anything or anyone who stands in the way of him and his precious weed is just asking for serious trouble. So right now he's being taken care of by the State and that is not because of being busted for possession either. We think he's looking at a solid six this time, there's been so many over the years and they do get longer each time. If the stuff out there now was like the high school stuff way when he might have a chance, but it absolutely is not!
Secondly- Snoopy, thanks for that link above. I've been following this case closely with the hair on the back of my neck sticking straight up. My family has property in the lakes by Perth there, and we typically day trip to Kingston for lunch and shopping while there. I've boated right around those systems and am very familiar with the particular location where those poor women were murdered. Horrible, horrible. I'll never be able to see that place again without thinking of the terrible tragedy that took place there, but I am so grateful for the wise verdict handed down. Oh, Canada-a-a! Glorious and free!
Horrible. Just horrible. It's hard to believe we allowed these things to exist.
Karen C~~thank you. I know you have a soft spot for Canada. LOL I found it so intriguing how the RCMP worked methodically for 2 and one half years to put all the pieces together to prove exactly how the murders were committed. If these ding dongs felt it was an 'honor killing', then why did they go to such lengths to try and cover their tracks knowing full well they murdered the victims. It was not their religious right to do so. This case has been making the news on the US channels. Since we do not have the death penalty in Canada, I believe they got 25 years. Old Shafia will probably die in prison.
Sorry to hear about your step son... the drugs out there today are potent. There are so many different ones, I cannot even keep up with them. When I was growing up, beer in quart bottles was the in thing but drugs were available mostly in the big cities. I can't forget the homemade wines and moonshine. LOL Beet wine left bad stains on the nice white shirts our boyfriends wore on those Sat nite dates...woot woot Oh yeah, Captain Morgan rum and Lemon Gin and the drive-in theatres... but we were harmless country folks. as long as our parents didn't find out.
Karen - I guess you're right about the pot today. I haven't seen or smelled it in at least 20 years, and back then, the guys you bought it from weren't pimps like they are today. The crack crowd pushes it now. Yo Yo Yo, Bro!
Michelle - You should learn to be respectful. You are a stranger here. Had you been friendly, I would have published your comment, but it seems like you're nothing more than a troll.
Respectfully,
Dave