Zimmerman in Custody: Second-Degree Murder Charge Filed
Wednesday, April 11, 2012 at 6:07PM 
There you have it. The most damning evidence to date, as far as I’m concerned, came from the interaction he had with the police dispatcher, which was recorded and released:
1) He got out of his truck to;
2) Pursue the victim
In my opinion, his major mistakes were that he carried and discharged his weapon, ignoring the edicts of the Neighborhood Watch program, and he ignored the dispatcher’s advice to stop chasing after the victim.
On the recording, he admitted both.
George Zimmerman turned himself into the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
Orlando attorney Mark O’Mara will represent him. You may recall that O’Mara was the first legal analyst to join WKMG during the Casey Anthony trial. (And he continued to be.) Mark NeJame later joined the team. O’Mara is well-respected by everyone, including me. He’s a very likeable, respectable and respectful guy.
May justice prevail.
Dave Knechel | tagged 2nd-Degree Murder, Second-Degree Murder | in Angela Corey, Benjamin Crump, Dave Knechel, David B. Knechel, David Knechel, Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Marinade Dave, Marinade Dave Knechel, Mark O'Mara, Seminole County, Stand Your Ground, State Attorney Angela Corey, State Attorney's Office, Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Trayvon Martin, Zimm v. Slimm, marinadedave | Share Article 
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Hello everyone.... Stan Strickland is going to be on Nancy Grace tonite.... be still my heart and woot woot...
NeJame just said that the new judge may recuse herself because of her association with his firm. NeJame was contacted to represent Zimmerman and declined. He suggested Mark O'Mara and a few other good attorneys.
Dave~ ~ it looks like we have to find you a new judge....
At a brief status hearing in the case Friday afternoon, Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said that he may ask for a new judge in the case.
Judge Jessica Recksiedler said that Zimmerman initially contacted Orlando attorney Mark NeJame for representation prior to contacting O'Mara.
NeJame now provides legal analysis on the case for CNN.
Recksiedler said her husband works with NeJame,
O'Mara said that he may now ask for a new judge. Any such request would have to be in writing.
A bond hearing is scheduled for next Friday.
Zimmerman's attorney may ask for new judge
I will do my best to attend the bond hearing next week. I did wonder about any conflicts with the new judge since her husband works for NeJame. Personally, I don't find it all that problematic. Why? Because she's a judge and her husband is an attorney who specializes in personal injury. Even if he were a criminal defense attorney, just the fact that he is could be a potential problem in all cases that come before his wife. Therefore, she should not be allowed to preside over any case at all in Seminole County court. Why? Because, just like this one, the potential is there that any person seeking counsel could call that law firm. Anyone.
Also, I do not buy into that video one bit. The one that "proves" Zimmerman is innocent. Why? Because if I had been in a ruckus with someone on a dark evening, I would expect people in the neighborhood to hear screams, but not necessarily see anything. Since the victim lay dead, who was there to contradict my statement saying it was me? In fact, it could have been either one, and in the police report, the cop wrote down what Zimmerman told him. That was it. He didn't say one way or the other who it was because he wasn't there to witness it. If I said I saw green cheese in the sky, he would report it. In this case, it will be up to the court to decide who screamed, and I'm certain, if push comes to shove, law enforcement will take the side of the prosecution. That's what they do.
Thanks, Dave, for the input on that video. I'm trying to find whatever there may be that a jury would find Z innocent. I fear another casey Anthony case, I guess, so I'm wanting to avoid surprises. I hope that there is the use of the recording of Trayvon's voice to be compared with those screams. IMO, Z screwed himself by not asking the youth who he was and what business he had in the community as Trayvon was passing his SUV.
Speaking of Alan Dershwitz:
Video: Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit ‘Irresponsible And Unethical’
That was my first time hearing that video in its entirety. I thought I must be wrong in my thought on it but, sure enough, in the comment line of that link I found my initial opinion was right-why would the SA put in anything favorable to the defense in their affidavit? Dershowitz should know that much.
Sherry~~Dershowitz makes a lot of sense. That affidavit is lame!! I tend to agree with Alan that Corey was making a political speech. It is sad when the real truth and all the facts take back seat to one's political agenda. I have yet to hear one attorney say that second degree murder was a good call. The best legal analysts all agree that manslaugter was quite sufficient if it was necessary to charge Zimmerman. The pressure but on the special prosecutor, IMO, swayed her good judgement. How did Zimmerman get the wound on the back of his head?? I doubt if he rolled in the grass and took the butt of his gun and cracked himself on the back of his head.
Well, as far as over-charging Z I agree. But as far as putting together the affidavit I would think it silly to include pro-defense statements. Or maybe not, come to think of it (or, come to think of the Casey Anthony case). The state, during a trial, does have to hand over findings favorable to the defense so maybe it has to include it in an affidavit, too?
Judge in Zimmerman Trial May be Removed Due to Conflict of Interest
Judge Jessica J. Recksiedler holds a conference calls with state attorneys and George Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, on Friday to disclose a possible conflict of interest. Judge Recksiedler's husband works for CNN analyst Mark NeJame's law firm.
Sherry~~the prosecution having to hand over things that may be favorable to the defense deals with discovery, if I am correct. I thought the affidavit had to state just cause for charging a person with an offense and then stating what charge, in this case it was second degree murder, they feel fits the crime committed.
I learned tonight from one of the legal analyst that the conversation Trayvon and his girlfriend had on the phone the evening of Feb 26th would be admissable and not considered hearsay.
I don't know of any reason why the girlfriend's statements here or at trial would not be admissible- she's an actual witness and will have the phone records to back it up. Amazing Trayvon's father had to undertake that task. It should have been one of the first things PD did next business day.
Dave et al...
Just wanted to let you know that I will be taking a back seat and not discussing this case or giving any of my opinions. I do not feel comfortable in sharing my views. I am not a racist and can attest to that. Making comments in here is like walking on thin ice so that is the reason I will be observing this case at a distance from now on. I have strict gun laws in my country so I do not feel it is proper to voice my opinion in that area. I cannot sugar coat things to please an audience because that is not being honest with you or myself. However, I will still read here as per usual...Snoop
FYI I've read the gun was off safety and there was a round in the chamber,prety much would have had to be as he had no time to do either.
WWW.TheHinkyMeter posted the charges and how they are defined on Friday.
After Zimmerman arrest, questions about ‘stand your ground’
Is "stand your ground" actually relevant to George Zimmerman? In terms of legal defense, maybe not. "Stand your ground" is an expansion on the so-called Castle Doctrine, the right to defend one's homestead. Instead of defending yourself on your own personal property, though, "stand your ground" lets you carry that immunity into public property, which can include places of business, like a bar. Now that the case has moved onto legal turf, the arguments will become accordingly technical: Is this immunity even relevant, or would simple self-defense kick in?
Having trouble posting again so I'll just submit this one for review.
What's missing in all the posts above and goes in my opinion to the "depravity of mind" description is the part of the affadavit that describes all the break-ins and Zimmerman's irritation that "they always get away". It shows his state of mind at the time and then he profiles Trayvon because of his clothing and probably his race. He follows the boy when told not to, Trayvon's mother recognizes her son as the one yelling for help. Then we have his girlfriend as an earwitness. I can see where they came up with the second degree charge. I just hope they don't do what the prosecutors in Casey Anthony's trial did and drop the lesser charges when it comes to the courtroom. I hope they keep manslaughter as an alternate charge. It wouldn't be enough for many people out there but it would be something. I don't think he was defending himself because he was the aggressor. And that doesn't even get into the area of carrying around a loaded gun. I imagine the safety was on until he got out of that truck and I wouldn't be one bit surprised to hear the scuffle we heard came about only after Trayvon saw the gun.
I was completely surprised to see our good ole Sheriff Rutherford next to Angela Corey at the news conference. The news here in Jacksonville is saying he turned himself in here, but they don't go so far as to say he was up here all along. We're close to the Ga border so he could have been there too. They also said since Angela Corey is over Duval and he turned himself in here that if there is a change of venue, this place could be considered. Duval County and Jacksonville in particular has a high crime rate (been going down in the past year which is good) and they are tough on crime up here. I don't hear of many who get off when a murder is involved, and Angela Corey did say they fight that "stand your ground" law as vigorously as they fight the self defense motions. I can see him doing some time, and I wouldn't be one bit surprised to hear he made a deal of some kind before it's all over. After all it's a common opinion that the general population of a prison is dangerous, but right now so is the street Zimmerman walks down.
In my opinion none of these apply to George Zimmerman:
FL Justifiable use of force statutes
I also found this interesting:
Before Trayvon Notable Stand your ground cases
After reading that last one I'm now under the impression anything can happen.
My laptop is dead. Long live my laptop. I hope it can be repaired.
Dang! I got it running again.
Hi, Dave. "Dang", huh? You may well wish at the end of this particular mess that the old laptop was quite unsalvageable!
Did you know that, on the night of Trayvon Martin's death, Sanford police gave George Zimmerman a voice stress test?
They did, and the results probably contributed to his release.
A voice stress test is like a polygraph, but instead of measuring heart rate and blood pressure, it looks for changes in an individual's voice patterns that are thought to suggest psychological stress. With the help of software, investigators record a suspect answering baseline questions and then compare them to answers about the case.
Police Gave George Zimmerman Voice Stress Test
I was asked by a very nice man to not hold back and continue to comment here so you will read opinions, speculations and a hodgepodge of just about anything when the wheels in the old noggin start rotating.
First off, I am hoping that Zimmerman will be able to get off from any charges because of the Stand Your Ground law by getting immunity which a judge will have to rule on at a mini trial. I realize that the prosecution (Corey) has already stated that she will fight against Z utilizing the SYG and gaining immunity. I believe that Corey was under pressure and in order to keep peace and do damage control for Sanford PD, she ended up overcharging Zimmeman with this second degree murder. Many, if not all, legal analysts have already agreed with me on that one.
Since Floridians have a right to carry concealed weapons, then let them reap what they sow. In this case, it was a young black man lying dead on the grass in a gated community. Zimmerman had the right to carry a concealed weapon, as per his permit. Zimmerman had the right to be a neighborhood watchman. Zimmerman had the right to observe and call the non emergency line at 911. Trayvon Martin had the right to go to the store to buy iced tea and skittles. Trayvon had the right to wear a hoodie. Trayvon had the right to walk down a sidewalk in a gated community. Trayvon had the right to be black. Zimmerman had the right to be white and Hispanic. All these rights but yet it ended in one big WRONG. Ask yourself why. Think folks, a gun is a lethal weapon and it's purpose is to kill. I wish Bill Cosby was here with me now to add his two cents worth.
Can you even imagine your spouse, son or daughter being a police officer in the state of Florida? Every day or night they go out to make your community safe, they are putting their lives on the line. When a policeman is killed in the line of duty, what caused that death? Not too many get stabbed or run over by a vehicle.
Did a gun make Zimmerman more powerful? Did he use poor judgement? Who was the aggressor when it ended up with an altercation before the fatal shot? It was okay for the media to look into Zimmerman's past but God-forbid do not check and take a look at Trayvon's. It is not fair to just look at one side of the coin if we want to get even an iota of the truth.
Until we see forensic evidence, how do we know that Sanford PD was not doing its homework. Sanford PD could only hold Zimmerman for no more than 24 hours unless they had enough evidence to charge him. They did a voice stress test on Z and did not consider him a flight risk. He was let go but how did anyone know that he would not be charged shortly thereafter and then all hell broke loose....
To be con't ....
Did Trayvon Martin have any identification on him the evening of Feb 26th when he was found fatally shot to death?
Until that person can be identified, they are listed as John Doe at the medical examiners office and/or morgue. Normally a PDept will wait to see if there is a missing person's report, especially if the deceased is a minor.
Before ample evidence was made known, this case took on a rush to judgement. I was shocked as generally I remain low key in things of this nature. The media was having a field day. We can give credit to NBC and the editting of an audio that ignited the flames to make this look racial from the getgo.
I do not believe that Zimmerman has a racial bone in his body. If people of a yellow skin were burglarizing his neighborhood, he would find it suspicous if he noticed one sauntering around and keep an eye on him/her. It would be the same if it were aging bald men to be on the lookout for. *sorry, Dave.
I watched a man make his first appearance before the judge. I paid close attention to his eyes. I observed his demeanor and body movements, his politeness. There lacked a cocky attitude. What stood out most was the frightened look, like a deer caught in the headlights of a car. This same man had been in hiding fearing his life could be snuffed out by a vigilante. There was a $10,000 bounty on his head. He spent his first night being incarcerated and heard sobbing long into the wee hours. Sound like a hardened criminal to you?
Last night, along with all the alerts that come into my mailbox regarding this case, one stood out. It made me sick to my stomach. Some artist has made a portrait of Zimmeman using Skittles. You will see in on ebay or duplicates of it being passed around.
So where do we go from here?... I don't expect to be very popular after voicing my opinions. I do welcome your thoughts though, both pro and con. I have been known to be real good at ducking spit balls, in fact I got in a lot of practice when a few baboons took aim. My main goal is being fair to both sides while searching for the truth! Snoop
Hi Snoopy and Dave
I think Trayvon's death was a terrible tragedy. I do not understand the legalities of the situation. However, I think that the "stand your ground" law is largely responsible for what happened and I think the people who advocated and passed the law have blood on their hands. I heard that ALEC, the group that lobbied for that law and probably other bits of questionable legislation, has been hit in the nerve that will hurt them, the pocketbook nerve. Coca Cola, Pepsi, and other big companies have withdrawn from ALEC and are taking thier $25,000 or more in annual contributions with them. Maybe these companies will suffer in the pocket book nerve for their ill conceived contributions to ALEC because some people who buy their products in normal circumstances may be offended by the murder of an innocent child and hold the stand your ground law against any company that contributed to an organization which drafted the law.
You go, Snoopy~
I will say that cops get killed by criminals having guns way more than by law abiding citizens with guns. A criminal is far from concerned with gun laws. The only ones affected by stricter gun laws are the law abiding citizens. That said, the SYG law is not a good law if it does not require that the shooter must do all to retreat from the situation first.
Daniel Adkins, a "white" Hispanic was shot dead by a young Black man in a fast food restarant drive-thru recently all because he thought the one who shot him was trying to run him over. Adkins went bullistic on the driver and was soon dead from his gun. Why not drive off? Why not show the gun and tell the aggressor to back off? Had one of these scenarios happened, Mr. Adkins would be alive. BTW, the shooter was let go and not charged also. The Adkin's family is looking for justice for Daniel, just like Trayvon's family wants justice done for their son. I'm hoping that these families get it, too.
Sherry~~right in the laws of Stand Your Ground, it specifies, you do not have to retreat. So it is telling them to stay and fight it out and God knows, it will end up with one of them dead. If people are to have the right to have concealed weapons, then the citizens should have the right to demand signs put up declaring the streets WAR ZONES. It takes two or more to create a fight. It does not make sense to me at all.
We have deer crossing and moose crossing signs up here for our protection.
Amber~ ~ who in the state of Florida does not carry a cell phone? Most people have 911 on speed dial. That is my weapon of choice and it does not have to be concealed.
Hey conniefl -- Just wanted to say I enjoyed your post. For me, GZ's "state of mind" as revealed in the 911 tapes is just so wrong on so many levels. Combine that with FT talking about what a great thing it was that GZ patrolled with 9 mm and rottweiler. Proof of how great his desire to help his fellow man was. To me that is not a great thing, that is a terrifying thing; that is a tragedy waiting to happen. If that is not illegal is should be, IMO.
Here is my buddy...
Cosby, who first spoke out about the shooting of the 17-year-old earlier in the month, said in the interview: 'When a person has a gun, sometimes their mind clicks, that this thing will win arguments and straighten people out.'
'I'm not saying you can't have it in your home to protect yourself... you've got to protect yourself in your own home,' he argued.
'But I also believe that when you tell me that you are going to protect the hood that I live in, I don't want you to have a gun,' he said. 'I want you to be able to see something, report it and get out of the way.'
Cosby, whose own son was shot dead in Los Angeles in 1997, said during the interview that he once owned a gun but no longer does.
The 74-year-old entertainer reiterated the need to get guns off the streets, and said that people should be taught to use every possible alternative before shooting someone.
Read more at source...
Bill Cosby says the debate about the killing of Trayvon Martin should be about guns NOT race
Years ago, I used to monitor a police scanner. When you live in a country setting, it doesn't take much to amuse oneself. One evening, a couple of RCMP officers were sitting in their patrol car watching the activities at a school where a dance or some function was going on. Unbeknown to the officers, in error they left their microphone open. Dispatch was trying their best to alert the officers to no avail. Let me tell you, it was interesting and the steam was coming off the language they used. For eg..."look at that little bast*** run.."
Now did these officers have depraved minds? Z did not realize his cell was picking up the a**hole comment. These same RCMP officers would never have used any profanities in a radio transmission. Anyhoo...another patrol car had to go to the location and tell the officers to turn the dang mike off. I'll just bet they were trying to recount every word they had said in the last ten minutes or so...
Concerning Cosby's statement, there are no gun laws that would give anyone the right to patrol the streets. SYG is for personal protection. Connie's link on other SYG incidents has an old guy gunning down burglars of a neighbor's home. I don't think SYG should have applied. In that instance, it was intended imo.A "depraved mind" act. Zimmerman wasn't supposed to carry his gun on Neighborhood Watch, IIRC.
On that statement that you brought up, Snoopy, when coupled with "F*- punks" I think his mind was made up that he wasn't in the mood to let this one get away. When he lost sight of Trayvon he still wanted to look for him and that is why he told the dispatcher to have the officer call him when he arrived at the GC. Had he made it back to his SUV, I'm almost sure that he would have cruised the neighborhood searching for Trayvon to see what that "punk" was up to. He wasn't going to let this one get away if he could help it.
Sherry~ ~I do not think Zimmerman's intention was to shoot to kill. As a neighborhood watchman, Z should not have been armed. I have yet to see a handbook for NW where that is spelled out. I know Curtis Sliwa says that the Guardian Angels are not armed. Since the state of Florida gave Zimmerman a permit for a concealed weapon, he had a right to carry a concealed gun.
Judging from the scars on the back of Z's head, there was an altercation. How this came about, we do not have any concrete proof and have to rely on word of mouth? The distance from where the gun was fired to the entry wound will be a crucial piece of evidence. I don't even know if Sanford PD dusted Z's hands for gunpowder residue. We are going to have to wait to see the evidence, if any was gathered, of course.
Did Trayvon have to opportunity to run and make it to his father's fiancee's house? He didn't know Zimmerman from Adam and since he was not armed, you would think that he should have tried to make it to a secure place. If Z cornered Trayvon brandishing a gun, how was he able to do this? It did appear that Z lost sight of Trayvon when he made the remark that "these a**holes always get away." Then it was, "he looking at me, sizing me up" and then "he's running." You can hear, what appears to be a truck door open and close, heavy breathing into the cell phone as if Z is running. Then you can hear those 'clicks' that sound to me like a gun being opened and closed to check the ammo.
We can argue that Zimmeman knew that neighborhood far better than Trayvon so therefore, Z had the advantage in a sneak attack.
I don't know if Dave put this link up or not, but it's the Orlando PD neighborhood watch set up description and it generally follows what I was involved in in SC back when I was a neighborhood watch captain. neighborhood watch program
Thanks portia! I came across that link "cases before Trayvon" and was amazed at what the interpretation of "stand your ground" was. Outside of the home I always invisioned it used in a car jacking or mugging situation. Different minds interpret the same law different ways. I do know from my own experience that GZ should not have been doing what he was doing. That is NOT under any instruction given by the police dept to a neighborhood watch. You have a list of phone numbers to protect you from this kind of situation or from being mugged or killed (a phone chain). It's "eyes on the neighborhood", not "chase them down and hold for arrest". You leave that to the people trained for it. Personally I hope he cuts a deal with the prosecutor and avoids any trial.
The voice stress test interested me. There are those who have such a calm way of speaking that I can't imagine how they'd show stress, and I can't imagine how anyone under arrest or being held can not show stress. To me it would be an inaccurate test either way.
Snoopy, I wish we could run this nation without guns and we can learn a lot from Canada and Britain on that score. But it's our consitutional right to bear arms. What gets me is that that law was written back in 1776 when it was needed. Now, almost 236 years later is it needed? The IRA and pro gun people would say "yes". I say the law needs to be amended because the weapons have become more deadly. Hunters like my ex husband would like to keep it for hunting reasons, or for gun collecting which he does also. But you can't hunt effeciently with an AK47, so I think that law needs to be ammended to limit the kinds and narrow the scope of the law. All guns kill and can be used by criminals I know. If you feel safer using a gun to protect yourself then by all means carry one or leave it in the home, but down here in FL I'm coming to the opinion that to even own a gun and make it known you have one is an invitation to crooks to find a way to take it from you.
Conniefl~~I would never try and force our Canadian laws on any other country. I will leave those countries to figure things out for themselves. I do not shy back from giving my opinion tho.
Like you, my dad was a hunter and my brothers followed suit. The gun put food on our table. I believe in protecting one's home with the use of force and, if necessary then let it be a gun to wound the intruder, not to fatally kill them. The intruder must break into your home. One commenter mentioned a person shooting through a door and killing the person on the other side. The shooter was not charged because he felt threatened. This is totally ridiculous.
I read the Stand Your Ground laws and it states that the one who feels they are being threatened does not have to retreat. I do not agree with that. If one feels their life is in peril, get the he** out of there if at all possible. A person, especially someone who is paranoid, is going to whip out that concealed weapon and use it sometimes unnecessarily. Then we have road rage and a hot tempered driver, in a split second uses their gun. We have minors taking guns into the schools. Where are they getting them? Dad or Mom's bedside stand or on a coffee table in the living room?
Guns should be under lock and key in a gun cabinet when the owner is away from his collection. I am terrified of handguns. I do respect rifles, shotguns and 22's.... I have even target practiced with a bow and arrow and a pellet gun.
I used to go hunting with my hubby....I got to carry the binoculars. I found out that I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. lol
Zimmerman should not have pursued Trayvon. We do not know if Z was chasing Trayvon or just looking to see where he disappeared to. I cannot believe that Z went after Trayvon with the intent to kill a black man wearing a hoodie. I hope there is some way that Mark O'Mara can avoid a trial by convincing a judge to give Zimmerman immunity. We still do not know the real truth of what happened that night and have to rely on forensics if this ever goes to trial. Even the witnesses who called 911 have differing accounts of what transpired.
An aside...when my daughter was a guard in an all male prison, she was armed with a billy stick, not a gun. This was for her own safety in that an inmate could try and disarm her. She did have a high powered rifle when she was on duty in the Tower and was ordered to shoot to kill if someone tried to scale the barbed wire fence.
I have some catching up to do, but I do want to clarify something that I am almost sure of. Reuters had suggested, early on, that Sanford police may have administered a stress test, but I am not convinced that it was based on anything factual.
Dave ~~Remember those two lawyers who resigned from Zimmerman's counsel? I refer to them as the idiot lawyers.
Read this.... it seems this was the origin of the 'voice stress test' ....
A new lawyer hired by George Zimmerman, Hal Uhrig, told an Orlando radio station his client was given a voice stress test the night he shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman has yet to be charged with anything in the shooting.
Uhrig told WOFL radio in Sanford, Fl. his client passed the test. The test is considered similar to a polygraph test in that it seeks to discover, in this case by measuring the level of stress in a person's voice, if that person is telling the truth.
Source
Interesting, Snoopy, all I remember was the article from Reuters. Huh. I guess I'll have to eat my hat. But my head will get sunburned!
Then again... Urhig is no longer his attorney for a reason.
Dave~ ~I considered Urhig a reliable source and mentioned the voice stress test in one of my comments. Just wanted to try and clarify things. Who knows for sure what the truth is these days??
Keep your hat....
He's a well respected lawyer in town, yes, but he made a big error with that huge press conference.
I'll take his word for it.
Dave~ ~I didn't hear any favorable comments from any of the legal analysts with regards to that news conference. In fact it was said that both of them should be reprimanded by the Bar Assoc.
Here is some food for thought....
This is interesting. The neighbors were not questioned by Corey. Three different neighbors of Zimmerman with the same story??
Trayvon Martin's killer showed signs of injury: neighbors
I find it interesting that all of those legal analysts are criminal defense attorneys. What would I expect them to say? Duh, exactly what they're saying.
Dave, with this case there has been so much misinformation by news and opinions blogs. Its good to be skeptical. Shooo, I avoid Examiner.com articles now thanks to you informing us about their "news" articles.
Snoopy, if Corey didn't talk to neighbors herself, or her team of investigators, then methinks they found some damning evidence with Trayvon's girlfriend's convo with him that night. OR! There is a witness or two that we don't know about. In a way, I want this to go to trial. I'm curious as to what really went down that night.
BTW, did you know that rifles are surer shots than handguns? The longer barrel gives more accuracy. I'm with ya, ladies, in that its not necessary to be carrying around handguns. But, I do believe that riffles are just the ticket in case of a rogue government and an intruder.
[ i changed my mind in mid stream and deleted my comment, Dave]
I hate to waste paper....Sherry, I agree about the rifles in lieu of hand guns. I fired a shot gun one time and almost broke my shoulder because I did not hold it right. It was just target practice and was my first and last time messing with a firearm. I did love trying to be like Robin Hood tho with the bow and arrows. .
Your post made me smile Snoopy. My ex was also a bow hunter. He used to target practice in our back yard (surrounded by woods by the way) and I came to the conclusion he may never kill a deer with a bow but it certainly wouldn't reproduce! He belonged to hunting clubs and would always bring home venison which didn't agree with his digestive system. I called it "Bambi's revenge".
As baggy as these kids pants are nowdays they could conceal a tommy gun and no one would be the wiser.
I also don't think GZ went there to shoot Trayvon but I do think he was more than willing to point it at him to get him to stay there until the police came. That was a huge miscalculation on his part.
Wow, Connie, your remark made me think of a possible scenario-that Trayvon grabbed the gun at arm's length after the struggle on the ground...?
It is now my understanding that Zimmerman told Urhig that he took a stress test, but the Sanford Police Department remained mum. So, Urhig's statement came from Zimmerman and no other source.
Sherry - Of all credible news sources, examiner.com is not one of them, that's for sure.
Dave ~ ~ if Zimmerman told Urhig that he had a voice stress test and then Urhig relayed that information to us, would you agree that Urhig was breaking the attorney/client privilege?
Can you and I agree on anything or will we continue to spar until you come up convincing everyone that I never know what the hell I am talking about?
Snoopy - My point was not related to attorney/client privilege. All I said was the stress test info did not come from the Sanford police. Is that something we must disagree on?
Yes, Sheri, I think Z pulled the gun on him after he said "why are you following me?" thinking it would scare the kid into staying put, but instead he fought back and got shot either during the scuffle or when GZ was on the ground. It will be interesting to see how close the autopsy says that gun was to him when it went off.
Not once did I hear GZ say "I'm the neighborhood watch captain. What are you doing here?" That might have given him a simple answer instead of what happened.