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    Thursday
    Sep152011

    Judge Perry's Order Sounds "Appealing"

    In the beginning of September, 2008, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office said that lab tests confirmed that a decomposing body had been in the trunk of George and Cindy Anthony’s 1998 Pontiac Sunfire. “[FBI] laboratory evidence, along with additional evidence that has not been made public, leads investigators to the belief there is a strong probability that Caylee is deceased.”

    Sgt. John Allen added that, “The information we’ve gotten back from the lab [was] that she was in the trunk of that car and that she is dead is certainly something we take seriously.”

    By September 21, detectives noted that there were still lab tests pending, plus evidence not yet made public. According to OCSO, no homicide-related charges would be filed until they could determine if the child died and her body ended up in the trunk. As a matter of fact, throughout the month of September, it was looking very clear that Caylee was deceased and the odor of death in the trunk of the Pontiac and a combination of forensic evidence would be enough for an Orange County grand jury to indict her mother on First-Degree (Capital) Murder and other charges on October 14, including Aggravated Child Abuse, Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, and four counts of Providing False Information to a Law Enforcement Officer. 

    Certainly, there was plenty of evidence by then to gain convictions as far as the public was concerned, but on July 5 of this year, a jury found the defendant not guilty of the first three felony charges and guilty of the remaining four misdemeanor charges of lying to law enforcement. The public was shocked and outraged. The State Attorney’s Office had put an awful lot of work into this case that took nearly three years to come to an abrupt end. Law enforcement kept plugging away even as the trial unfolded. Everyone on the state’s side wanted nothing more than justice, but during this period, costs spiraled higher and higher it wasn’t until recently that a matter of cost came before the court. Someone’s got to pay for all this labor intensive work, right?

    On September 2, 2011, the state filed an “Amended Motion to Tax Special Costs of Investigation and Prosecution and to Reserve Jurisdiction” pursuant to Florida Statute 938.27. The original motion, “State of Florida’s Motion to Tax Special Costs of Investigation and Prosecution and to Reserve Jurisdiction” was filed on July 6, a day after the defendant was acquitted of the felony charges.

    The amount the state was requesting was to the tune of $517,000, broken into separate agencies, including the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE), the Metropolitan Bureau of Investigation (FDLE), the Orange County Sheriff’s Office (OCSO), and last but not least, the State Attorney’s Office.

    The state wanted the defendant to pay for the investigation from its inception, on July 15, 2008, when she told authorities her first lie, to December 19, 2008, the date when skeletal remains found a week earlier were positively identified to be those of Caylee Marie Anthony.

    On paper, the state’s proposition sounded about right, but it wasn’t, according to the law. There’s no doubt the amount of hours it took to come this far were phenomenal. Who kept lying and lying and lying to police until her attorney put a clamp on her mouth? The fact remains that this whole affair could have ended a long time ago had it not been for her. She would have saved the state, not to mention taxpayers, tons of money had she just told the… [sorry, that word is not in her vocabulary].

    I know my opinion on this is not going to be popular, but it follows how Judge Perry ruled today. Allow me to place myself in a situation that may shed a little light on the decision…

    Suppose I’m visiting old friends in New Jersey during a specific time period. I rode up with a buddy. During that time someone (allegedly) stole my car and robbed a convenience store in my neighborhood. The perp is bald like me, so when the cops show the store owner my picture, he says, “That’s him!”

    My car is impounded and examined, and the only set of prints on it are mine. Meanwhile, I come home to a 24-hour stake-out, and I’m promptly thrown to the ground, handcuffed and arrested. Here’s the deal - my friend is deposed but the cops don’t believe him. The state indicts me. Meanwhile, my friends in NJ are reluctant to testify on my behalf. Unfortunately, some of the evidence makes me look bad because the police find out I had been dating the owner’s daughter and we had a rocky relationship until it finally ended. It turns out the father never liked me to begin with.

    Eventually, the case goes to trial, some of my out-of-state friends are subpoenaed, and the jury finds me not guilty. Should I be required to pay for the entire investigation? How about any of it? After all, ultimately, I did nothing wrong. 

    There’s the dilemma. Who foots the bill? In my case, it’s fairly cut-and-dry. I was, in no way, involved and the law is on my side. No one should pay money for an ill-fated investigation. How many people a year are charged by overzealous prosecutors? That’s not my point, though.

    In this particular defendant’s case, she lead authorities to dead end after dead end. She lied through her teeth and impeded a legitimate investigation. The entire nation prayed that little Caylee would be found alive, while her devious mother laughed behind everyone’s back. She should be forced to pay, right? Well, yes and no.

    The investigation into the missing toddler began on July 15, 2008, when Cindy Anthony made her desperate 911 calls. Yes, initially, it was a missing child case, but somewhere along the line, it switched from that to a murder investigation. Caylee was dead. That’s where the impounded Sunfire became so crucial. Sometime in September of 2008, the gears switched from missing to dead.

    On September 2, 2011, the judge heard testimony from both sides. The state wanted the charges to encompass a five month period, from July 15 - December 19, 2008. The defense argued that their client was found not guilty of murder, including the other felony charges. How could the court force her to pay for something she was found not guilty of? The defense asked for the final tally to represent July 15 to September 30, a two-and-a-half-month period, because, after that date, investigators were no longer seeking a missing child - they were looking for a deceased one.

    The judge agreed. Just like in my case, why should a person be forced to pay for an investigation when the verdict is in the defendant’s favor? If that were the case, police and prosecutors would be charging people left and right for crimes they never committed in order to fill state coffers. As much as Jose Baez’s client is unpopular, the law is the law and Judge Perry had to rule the way he did.

    Section 938.27, Florida Statute (2011) provides, in part:

    In all criminal and violation-of-probation or community-control cases, convicted [my emphasis] persons are liable for payment of the costs of prosecution, including investigative costs incurred by law enforcement agencies, [etc.] For purposes of this section, “convicted” means a determination of guilt, or of violation of probation or community control, [etc.]

    The court shall impose the costs of prosecution and investigation notwithstanding the defendant’s ability to pay. The court shal require the defendant to pay the costs within a specified period or in specified installments.

    In his ruling, Judge Perry acknowledged that “there are costs that may be taxed against Defendant because they were reasonably necessary to prove the charges in Counts 4 through 7, for which she was convicted.” Therein lies the crux of the argument. For which she was convicted. You cannot charge any amount of money on not guilty verdicts according to the law, no matter how one may personally feel. The judge had no choice because he had to follow the letter of the law.

    While the judge acknowledged that there are no Florida cases dealing with apportioning the costs after a criminal trial when a defendant has been convicted of some charges but acquitted of others, there is some guidance in federal case law “which provides that costs associated exclusively with the prosecution of counts which are discharged cannot be assessed against the defendant.”

    “When a statute is clear, courts will not look behind the statute’s plain language for legislative intent.” City of Miami Beach v. Galbut, 626 So. 2d 192, 193 (Fla. 1993), and Holly v. Auld, 450 So. 2d 217, 219 (Fla. 1984).

    “A statute’s plain and ordinary meaning must control, unless this leads to an unreasonable result or a result clearly contrary to legislative intent.” State v. Burris, 875 So. 2d 408, 410 (Fla. 2004).

    “Cost provisions are a creature of statute and must be carefully construed.” Wolf v. County of Volusia, 703 So. 2d 1033, 1034 (Fla. 1997).

    Based on case law, Judge Perry decided that the costs incurred by investigators would be from July 15, 2008 through September 29, 2008. That was the period, he decided, all costs incurred were “reasonably related to the investigative work provided as a result of Defendant providing false information as to the location of her [then missing] daughter, Caylee Anthony, and making other mistrepresentations to law enforcement.”

    End of story. We may not like it, but that’s the law and that’s why the judge ruled the way he did. The breakdown of what he granted looks like this:

    • FDLE - $61,505.12
    • MBI - $10,283.90
    • OCSO - $25,837.96 (the Court found that several of the reports were not adequately broken down, and in order to reimburse OCSO for additional work, they must file a revised expense report with the Court by 4:00 PM on September 19. At that point, the order will be amended accordingly.)
    • With regard to the costs incurred by the Office of the State Attorney, in accordance with Florida Statute 938.287(8), the State Attorney is entitled to a total amount of $50 for each of the misdemeanor convictions. Grand total? 200 buckeroos. Personally, I think it’s an insult,

    All in all, the defendant will have to cough up $97,676.98, not a pittance by any means, but not close to the amount the state requested. How is she going to pay? Oh, I think her attorneys will find the tally quite “appealing”, if you get my drift. Speaking of drift, would we know how to contact Mr. Baez about this? I hear Aruba ta bunita this time of year.

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT

    On December 3, 2009, I met with Sgt. John Allen at the sheriff’s office on West Colonial Drive. This was in reference to a matter regarding something someone said to me and photographs I was shown that may have been relevant to the investigation. He called me the day before. After I gave him my testimony and filled out a report, we sat around for a few minutes and discussed different aspects of the case. At no time did he reveal anything that would be harmful had I written about it, but I told him I wouldn’t. We spoke on the phone 2-4 times after that, and at one point, he said it was okay for me to write whatever we had discussed. I had a green light, and one thing came to mind. He was emphatic about it, too. Up until the remains were found and identified, over 100 law enforcement personnel never gave up hope of finding Caylee alive. All around the country, investigators continued to follow up on leads. That’s how dedicated they were, and that tells me there’s a gray area the judge should have known about. Whether it can be substantiated, I don’t know, but it is worth considering, in my opinion.

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    If you owe a bank a few hundred dollars you are indebted to them.If you owe them a hundred million they are indebted to you.This will be Casey line of reasoning the more people sue her the more important she will feel..

    September 15, 2011 | Registered Commenterecossie possie

    Matey~ ~ you are one crazy man and that is why we all love you.. LOL

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterSnoopySleuth

    I fixed some typos and sentence structures.

    Ecossie? That's very observant. I like your thinking.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Hi Dave, Your post makes a great deal of sense. Although I agree with you, it would give me great pleasure if the state comes up with a substantial amount of additional amount of money owed to them by the end of the month. Too bad it wasn’t a few million.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterRob

    Dave~~ thank you, thank you for this great post. So, after Sept 30, 2008, OCSD did not follow up on any leads for a 'missing Caylee?' I am not sure John Allen would agree with that. I thought they kept searching right up until the remains were found.

    If Casey does not pay the money owing, her driver's license ( if she has one) will be suspended.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterSnoopySleuth

    Hello Dave,

    Great post on this issue.

    As long as Casey has to keep paying and isn't making any money off little Caylee's death I'm a happy camper.

    I read that some wealthy benefactor gave Casey $200,000. to commence a new life, a fresh start. Is there some kind of IRS prize for these misguided misfits come up with creative tax write offs? Who in their right mind would want to contribute one cent to this monster's future and comfort?

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterRedrelaxed

    Red~~Casey is not a charity so in order for the benefactor to write her off as an expense, it would have to be for maid service or the like. Maybe she will dust the tv remote control a few times each day. I am sure Casey would have to declare the $200,000 as income so the IRS would want their share. I wonder if she ever paid them the $70,000. She may very well end up back in the slammer to pay off her debts.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterSnoopySleuth

    I think it is fair. 500,000 would be better, but who are we kidding. Ms. Anthony has not held a job in years. She does not have a high school diploma or a college education. However she does have 6 felonies and a few law suits to settle. I do not see Casey living the good life any time soon. She will be just like any other criminal struggling to get by and no one to really help her except a few. I am not sure that she will get rich off of the few that are on her side.

    The best I can muster up for Casey is I wish her the same as Caylee received. I know it sounds mean but she deserves nothing better or less than she gave her very first baby. The only thing on this earth that truly belonged to her. The only thing she needed to love and nurture. The only person she NEEDED to take care of.

    I am happy for the tax payers if they ever see a dime of it! I hope you are well.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterLaurali

    Hi Rob - It would give us all a great deal of satisfaction, but at the same time, you can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. Even this amount will be very dificult to pay. We may end up either seeing her in court again, or come to know that someone is feeding her lots of money. Thanks.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Hi Snoopy - My pleasure. Finally, huh? Anyway, your thought prompted me to fremember what John Allen had told me after I gave my sworn statement that day. I just added it to the bottom of the post, but it was you who reminded me. Thanks. Why I didn't think of it is beyond me.

    Casey has no drivers license. She let it expire. She'll need to take the test again. I wonder if she has a car yet.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Thank you, Redrelaxed. It's just like old times, huh?

    I don't know who would want to pay her anything, let alone want to marry her at this time, but you know, she got a lot of love letters and donations while sitting in jail.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Hi Laurali - No, I don't see her living the Life of Riley any time soon. Boy, that's going back a ways. I just don't see anyone wanting to pay her besides the king of Sleaze, Larry Flynt. Disgusting!

    The court is going to set up a payment installment plan and I'm wondering how that will set with her. There is no doubt she will file an appeal, if only to postpone the inevitable.

    Thanks, I hope I am well, too. Or were you wondering about my sanity?

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Dave, thanks for this great post. Everything that you wrote made complete sense. Do you have any idea if anything will happen to Casey if she doesn't pay what Judge Perry ordered? Will she just have a lien against her or can she possibly be put in jail for it? I am sure her lawyers or someone will find a way for any money that she does eventually make will be filtered through someone else so she doesn't have to claim it and no one can get it then. I am sure that an appeal will be coming since that is what her defense likes to do. Are the people of Florida having to pay for any costs of filing fees, paperwork, etc. for fighting this?

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterMary Jo

    Thank you, Mary Jo. It's about time, huh?

    My guess would be that if she flagrantly fails to pay, the court will come after her whether she lives in Florida or not. You don't mess with the court, especially when large sums of money are in order. Yes, she could go to jail, but if she pays and has problems, the court would most likely be willing to work with her on it. Remember, she is no longer looked at by the court as anything more than just another number in the system.

    I would imagine that any documents filed by her defense would be paid for by them. I don't believe JAC is involved any longer, at least, not for this. That is just my guess, though.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Dave~~I am glad you added the FOOD FOR THOUGHT and I hope people will go back and read it. When I noticed the cutoff date as Sept 30th, John Allen immediately came to mind. Until they found the remains, they could not be 100% sure that Caylee was in the trunk of that Pontiac or that she was deceased. IMO, LE was still obligated to follow up on leads. Cindy Anthony was pushing law enforcement right up until the remains were identified to follow tips and sightings.

    Did OCSD give any money to Texas Equusearch or was that just a rumor?

    One other thing, the IRS punishes people for Tax Evasion and it can mean a jail sentence. Tax avoidance is a whole different ballgame and is not a crime.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterSnoopySleuth

    Dave~~it's me again. When thoughts come into this old noggin', I have to get them down in print.

    Remember Casey appealed those 4 misdemeanors that she was found guilty of. Now will this cause her to get an extension of time and not settle her debts with LE until the appellate court makes their decision. I think when Mason filed that appeal, he wanted to kill 2 birds with one stone. One-Casey can plead the fifth if she is deposed by Morgan & Morgan in the Zenaida civil suit. Two- Can this delay her having to pay the money owing to the state?

    Cheney Mason is a sly fox. Right? IIRC, Casey wanted JAC to pay for the appeal Mason filed.

    September 15, 2011 | Registered CommenterSnoopySleuth

    Dave: Great post!

    In your example, you were an innocent man--wrongfully charged. That was not the 'case' in Casey Marie Anthony vs. State.

    Please understand that I am not saying the justice system doesn't work, but only that something went terribly wrong in this case and justice was not done.

    I am satisfied with the latest ruling. Any little thing they can do to make her life a bit uncomfortable, I'm all for.

    I'll never accept that verdict as justice, and I'll never wish her peace.

    What upsets me now is everyone seems to be blaming the prosecutors and maybe even law enforcement.

    They all worked so hard for justice for that beautiful baby.

    Linda Drane-Burdick said she was afraid that people wouldn't use their common sense; and Mr. Jeffrey Ashton said that we could only pray that the murderess had used chloroform prior to applying the duct tape. These people devoted their lives to this case for three years and they know. They know and they deserve our respect.

    Law enforcement--what did they do? They kneeled in the pouring rain and searched an acre of land for the remains of a 34 month old child. They, too, deserve our respect.

    Baez kept fabricating false leads and forcing law enforcement to spend valuable time and expensive resources searching for a child that he knew was dead. A child that he knew his liquorice eating client had murdered in cold blood--not 'accidently' drowned. MOO

    I'm at my wits' end here, really. I believe we all know what happened; only we still don't want to believe it. We prefer to watch Mr. and Mrs. Anthony choking on their own 'mistruths' on the Dr. Phil show.

    He does it for ratings. They do it for money.

    The murderess is now free to dance forever on the grave of her daughter, with thanks to the Pinellas 12.

    MOO

    September 15, 2011 | Registered Commenternan11

    Great post! I still have a bad attitude about this whole mess and find myself spewing hate from my mouth every time I try and discuss this case. After reading this post, I decided to switch up my thoughts a bit. I was thinking of George and Cindy and this whole Dr. Phil fiasco. I was thinking what if it were me? What would I do? (really tough putting yourself in that situation) First off, maybe just maybe I would appear on that silly misguided show. I would let the fool pay me that money for my story. I would let the world know I was broken and couldn't see a way to become whole again. I would let them know that I was going to make an effort to help repair all that was lost. (with the acception of my beautiful grandaughter that was gone forever) I would take that ridiculously large amount of money I was paid by Dr. Phil and I would pay back the state of Florida. I would give it all to those fine folk that volunteered to search for my grandbaby amidst the lies that my daughter told . I would pay the prosecutor who spent many sleepless nights fighting for my grandbaby's dignity.I would forget about the notion I could start a foundation that would support grandparents rights? UUUGGHHH! Forget it. This is a lost cause. There is no explanation to this case and there is no way to explain the likes of the Anthonys. I truly wish it would just go away. The post is great anyway and it it helps me understand the law and Judge Perry's decisions. I am now going to end my rant and try and put a better thought in my head. One with a happy ending!

    September 16, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterSageMom

    Snoopy - Thank you again for the reminder. I had to add it because I meant to incorporate it into the post. Fortunately, you remembered something about it.

    I don't recall any money changing hands between OCSO and TES. I think it's one of the reasons why the search outfit is suing Casey. They wasted a lot of time and money and they want to be paid back. I for one, can't blame them for it.

    I don't know anything about the IRS as it pertains to the defendant. Can she pay any amount? My guess is as good as yours.

    In my opinion, she appealed the 4 misdemeanor convictions in order to stall the process. Seriously, she's buying time because I do not believe the appeal will go through. There's no real basis for it. She lied to LE every step of the way and that's the doggone truth. She can't win.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Hi nan11 - I understand where you're coming from, but the verdicts came in. I know there are millions of people around the world who feel the same way as you. I think that blaming law enforcement and the prosecutors for the not guilty verdicts is totally wrong.

    Prior to the start of the trial, I asked Jeff Ashton what he thought of his chances. Everything seemed clear enough. He told me, you never know which way a jury is going to do. Well, he was right. Up until began deliberations, everything looked great for the state. Today, we must accept the outcome. We don't have to like it, but there's nothing else we can do but move on. I will occasionally write about this case as something worthwhile pops up, like this one, but I'm pretty much over it. I'm working on a new post related to this case, but it's going to take some time to put it together. Meanwhile, remember this - If she dances too hard on her daughter's grave, she'll eventually break a leg.

    Thanks.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Greetings Dave, It was wonderful to see that you had put up a new post and I enjoyed it very much. I believe that many things went wrong in the court case and it was right down the line. I remember thinking during the trial that there were many bits of incriminating evidence that the prosecution did not include and many witnesses that didn't get called to testify. I still don't understand why a lawyer is allowed to make up false statements present them in court as though it was the honest truth and then not having to prove it to be fact. Because the lies are allowed and accepted it would boil down to a lawyer that is a good story teller and actor could win their case and the truth be hidden forever. I realize that it is a tactical game for some lawyers but being a liar should not be okay with the court. Why do the good honest people always come in last and the evil ones appear to get all the breaks? I just feel that way sometimes when I see the bad guy get away with pretty much every bad thing they do.

    September 16, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterFrankie

    Hello Frankie! Yeah... I guess it was about time for me to do something with my poor blog. This was a story I could sink my teeth into, too. I don't know if anyone noticed or not, but nowhere in the post is Ca Ca's real name mentioned.

    Yes, there were things that went wrong, and by that, I mean you know who got every break in the world. Initially, I thought the prosecution could have presented a lot more evidence, but at the same time, I felt that too much could have confused the jury and worked against them.

    I don't understand allowing the lies, either, but it happens all the time, not just in murder trials. Remember, OJ was nowhere near Nicole's house, right? Bob Ward shot his wife. Bob Ward did not shoot his wife. You hit it right on the nose. Attorney's are actors, but aren't we all? We learn very early how to manipulate our parents. It's in our genes.

    Although it sometimes seems like the good die young and honest people come in last, we only notice it at the moment it occurs. If you think about Scott Peterson, he didn't get any breaks, did he? I'm of the belief that if you continue to do bad, it will eventually catch up with you. Look at OJ. He hung around a bad crowd and bingo! He's in prison. Will it happen here? I don't know. Ca Ca had never been in trouble with the law prior to this, and I seriously doubt she has too many friends, good or bad, to hang around with.

    Thanks.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    So very nice to read your new post. I did come in and read out of respect. I have noticed that any information on her actually ties my stomach up. So I have been avoiding.
    $100,000 dollars is better than no dollars owed. The fines will be a constant reminder.
    The feds will never give up on the taxes owed to them, either. The feds never go away.
    I'm guessing a benefactor will pay part of what she owes. It seems to me that there are many helping hands out there. I do not understand why.
    Have yourself a nice weekend.

    September 16, 2011 | Unregistered Commentercalli patti

    Hi Dave! As usual, great post! I did not even bother reading about this because I like many others, just get myself all upset all over again. I'm on Day 3 of quitting smoking and Ca Ca will NOT be the reason I fail LOL! That said, I was wondering if you watched the Dr. Phil interviews and if so, if you are going to write anything about that. I would love to hear your take on what was said, and what was not said because you always seem to help me make sense of it all! Just watching the snippets of the interview when Cindy said "that's the first time I've ever heard that come out of his mouth" and then "the look" you know the one she gives where the flames shoot out - I'd love to hear if anyone thinks she has accepted this and has to live in her land of denial just to "live" or if she's the same old Cindy. I don't mean to go back in time and drag up old things but this whole case, and especially the ending still has me baffled. BTW, I hope you are well!!!! Take care of yourself!

    September 16, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterLisa

    Dave~~If the IRS is similar to Revenue Canada, they will set up a payment plan for a person who is arrears for income tax owing. They generally want the total paid within a calendar year so would just divide the amount owing by twelve. They would rather have their money than see a person go to jail for non-payment. If the tax dept feels a person has no intentions of paying them, they will charge them and they can be jailed. They do this to set an example to deter others from doing the same thing.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterSnoopySleuth

    Hi cali patti - I know, it's very bittersweet, or is it tart and sour? We went 3 years and the whole thing came crashing to the ground leaving splinters and shards everywhere. I, too, have been avoiding it like a plague, but while the story ended there were bound to be a few epilogues. This is one of them. Trust me, there won't be many more and we will all move on to other conquests. We may have lost this one, but it's not the end for us. And it's not the end for the IRS, either. At some point, the court is going to announce that all costs have been satisfied or they haven't. At least, at the point, we'll then know how her finances look, and we should kno0w whether there's a sugar daddy or not.

    Thanks for dropping by. I know i wasn't very pleasant, but I do appreciate it. You have a nice weekend, too.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Hi Lisa! It seems to be the norm today that most people have moved on, but there's still a curiosity factor and, perhaps, a strange delight in keeping up with what this defendant, now free, will have to live with out of pocket. Who's going to foot the bill? There's still an issue over her safety. I, for one, wish her no harm, but if it's a consolation of any kind, she must live the rest of her days watching her back. That's a form of punishment in itself.

    Yes, I did watch the interview with Dr. Phil and I will watch it again on Monday. Anyway, I may write about it, but I think it's evident Cindy's ship has been sinking and in lieu of feeling pity, I might just let her have her space. Clearly, the woman is in misery. What she once had is gone forever and her torment reads like an open book. If I don't write about it, I'm working on one other story I can't talk about now because I haven't had a chance to talk to any of the principals. By the way, most of us are still baffled.

    Thank you for wishing me well in the health department. Trust me, I am doing everything I can to take care of myself.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Hi Snoopy - I would guess by now the IRS and the "client" have had some sort of discussion. The IRS is not going to be all that nice because of one simple reason - - - they don't have to. I would also guess that your version, Revenue Canada, handles their affairs in a similar fashion. If you owe, you pay. The only thing I would think that might help would be if Cheney has connections with a very good tax attorney. I don't think he, Baez or Lisabeth Fryer would dump her with that mess going on. Heck, I wouldn't want to be in her shoes. Even if she was convicted and sentenced to death the IRS would be merciless.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Dave~~When Ca Ca received the $200,00 from ABC, it went into an account, in her name, at the Baez Law Firm. Whoever does the accounting for José, had to have known that the IRS was entitled to a percentage of that money. It was Baez' responsibility to handle the money that was entrusted to him. In actual fact, Baez used money belonging to the IRS to defend Ca Ca. I have a feeling that the debt to the IRS has been settled, otherwise, the onus could be placed on Baez for the non payment.

    BREAKING NEWS, an aircrash at a National Air Race Show in Nevada has claimed quite a few lives. The plane crashed right into the spectators.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterSnoopySleuth

    Snoopy - I really don't know exactly how the deal came down. A lot of people, if I recall correctly, centered their 200K hostilities toward G&C. Ca Ca, too. Did we ever learn for sure where the money went? I think the best assumption is the scenario you spelled out, but also, there was the matter of that bill for 68-something. Knowing the IRS, it is her responsibility, not Baez's, except for one small detail. He acted as her executor, I'm sure, so where does that put him? I don't know.

    I saw that horrible crash on CNN.

    September 16, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Hi Dave & everyone

    Great post thanks Dave. That's an interesting point you and Snoopy raise about the tax liability.

    September 18, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterTiffany (Australia)

    Hi Tiffany! Thank you. I wasn't sure if I wanted to write another Anthony related story, but this one intrigued me. And yes, there is always the IRS breathing down her back. Paying taxes is going to keep her in the news because that's one thing she'll never be able to escape.

    September 18, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    Cindy's justification that God sent her an answer that Turnip was not guilty or had help (which in Cindy-speak means the Other Person is really the guilty party) when Turnip was acquitted. Cindy will never admit that circumstances in the Anthony household led up to Caylee's death as to do so would mean Cindy would have to examine her own culpability and admit her own failures. I feel sorry for George and eventually expect that George will leave Cindy, grow some man balls, and write a book that tells what really happened. Then he'll take all the money and his new wife and live in the Bahamas for the rest of his life.

    September 19, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterPatti O

    Hi Patti O - Or... George could take Cindy on a nice vacation in Aruba.

    Hey! Great seeing you. Thanks.

    September 19, 2011 | Registered CommenterDave Knechel

    I think what keeps people irked about this case is the repression of evidence that was allowed because it was too prejudicial to the defendant. To that the American public is saying BS! I am hoping that the longer that Casey is not on a show or movie the less money she will receive. She's got to be feeling pretty miserable if she's capable of feeling. She's lost everything. Here is a petition that everyone needs to sign to get Casey prosecuted at the federal level. https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/%21/petition/try-casey-anthony-federal-court-lying-fbi-investigators/KCkZwXSD

    I have little faith in online petitions but why not sign. I also keep logging in to the websites so I don't miss the next big downfall of Casey.

    September 27, 2011 | Unregistered CommenterPatti O

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